March 2001
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Name: Lyle Talbot
Topic: Non-dual
Sent: 23.35 - 3/31 2001
Obi, Yogi, Miraka:
I agree no real time frame is involved hitting non- dual. You would
really block non-dual if you went hunting for it. Grasping minds would
kill any chance of getting it. I've had first time clients hit non-dual
and I give you a scout's honor I was not beating them over the noggin
with Shaktipat either.
Now I don't think strong resistance has to be in place to produce
essence/non-dual stuff. I've seen it come creeping up on Emoclear and
breathstyle tech. If you hit a row of little aspects that can abruptly
pop into a firm non-dual happening. Koans and Word/Phrase practices can
blow out the walls on the old concept maker in a big way too.
But I have had tech green clients open up non dual not much after they
started learning a tech. It really baffles the heck out of them in a
very serene and sometimes blissfull way. You know it is hitting them
because they have that fun crazed look in their eyes. Like yeah I never
thought about it this way...ever.
They'll try to describe it to you and really struggle to put it into
words. Basically they'll say they feel connected to everything and they
feel extremely satisfied and that everything makes sense. For once.
They all enjoy it. Many of them will have no clue, because these are
just ordinary people with no interest in deep sea diving or nonduality
or mystical states. They might have heard of tm. And they'll be plugging
away at something and then the ceiling caves in on them. It gets them
asking questions. Like what was that?
Lyle Talbot
Name: Obi Wan
Topic: Knocked Out!
Sent: 23.18 - 3/31 2001
Mirika, that is wonderful. I am so happy for you. I'm probably being
presumptious, and if it's none of my business, please say so. But this
is the place for exploring techniques, so........
May I ask, how long did the state last? Were you interested in running
more within a few hours? Days? Weeks?
Are you still blown out?
Did you go exterior?
Did the walls go "thin"?
Did your space feel much larger? Does this persist?
Did you find this experience was religious or spiritual in nature?
Do you now have more certainty of self as a being or consciousness
seperate from a body?
Did you feel this experience shifted your relationship with your body?
With the physical universe?
Does the state persist?
If not, have you repeated the experience?
Would you like others to share this experience?
Do you feel the experience has shifted your relationship to others?
Did you, or do you, experience a feeling of oneness?
No out, no in?
Thank you for any comments you would choose to make, Marika. Or anyone
else who has had a similar experience.
This knocks me out. Congratulations, and welcome, Mirika
Obi
Name: Yogi
Topic: Obi and Mirika
Sent: 23.00 - 3/31 2001
Mirika,
Your boyfriend's right. Alla Rakha is the tablas player. I did not know
Ali Akbar Khan's school was near me. I'll have to research that some
more. Thanks for straightening me out on that.
Obi,
There you go: Mirika is evidence. When something with a lot of
resistance is suddenly blown, it can create the opening to the non-dual.
I would think that a person practicing everyday for a few weeks would be
capable of the same thing. If they get facility with an Emoclear tech
and go after something big, it can happen.
You already know, people who have not had much clearing experience can
hit non-duality during feel-its on day one or two of the Avatar course.
I have seen people hit it with the label-it exercises too. The most
common was to have students hit it during their initiation, after
blowing out something big with a Persistent Mass rundown, and on the
Ultimate process.
This could happen with people brand-new to clearing tech or meditation.
Mirika is right on stating there is no particular time requirement.
This is not to discourage anyone - many people clear for a long time
before they have a non-dual experience, and that is OK too. Remember -
being greedy for it will block it from happening. I venture to state
that Mirika wasn't expecting it when she hit it after clearing her anger
with her mother.
I say be happy that you are clearing and know that all is well. With
this attitude, many unexpected blessings can come in everyday life.
-Yogi
Name: Mirika Chen
Topic: Obi & Yogi: non-dual continued
Sent: 22.07 - 3/31 2001
Obi & Yogi,
Except for having a little meditation experience with a John Kabot-Zinn
group and doing the Core Transformation without much luck, I was pretty
new to tech when I found this page. I've since been able to learn the
Core Transformation successfully from things I learned here.
Yogi: My boyfriend said that Ali Akbar Khan is a Sarod Player and has a
school for Indian Music in Seattle.
Mirika Chen
Name: Mirika Chen
Topic: Non-dual States
Sent: 21.55 - 3/31 2001
Obi and Yogi,
I would not think there was a time frame on when you would experience a
non dual experience. I think it was about the third time I used an
Emoclear tech when the door opened up and I was left hanging without a
shred of thought process. I worked primarily with the Meridian Grasp and
I was working on a problem. I worked with the Meridian Grasp for several
hours at a time. sometimes between two and three hours. It was on the
third time I used it that I was focused on the emotion of anger with my
mother. Very intense anger. And it blew open on me and left me without
any thought processes whatsoever. No idea of time. No viewer and nothing
viewed. My anger transformed into a blissfilled wide open consciousness.
The "I" was gone.
I had never been to a place like that before. It was quite incredable.
I can see why no one really understands this and it is so very difficult
to relate. It doesn't seem to be something that can be described with
words. No words are present. You can say all the not this and not that
and the descriptions fall short. The only way that I can describe is
that your thinking just turns off. Click. Cold. Click. Just experience.
Click.
It only took me 3 times. I did have some help here because Steve got me
to loosen my grip and breathe higher up in my lungs. I think my first
nondual experience came too because I was working on something I
intensely fought having. Anger.
Mirika Chen
Name: The Buddha
Topic: Meditation Courses on Tape
Sent: 21.45 - 3/31 2001
Has anyone worked with Shinzen Young's "Science of
Enlightenment" tape set or Sharon Salzberg and Jack Kornfield's
Insight Meditation Correspondence Course? Has anyone worked with other
sets of tapes they thought helped them to build a regular meditation
practice?
Name: Obi Wan
Topic: Three Weeks?
Sent: 21.03 - 3/31 2001
Dear Yogi,
I'm astonished. I will be truthful and confess that I have only tried
Steve's processes a few times. I try out each of them (not the copper
plates yet.) Some of them just fly: I find them to be very easy and
efficacious. Some leave me stumped, but it's likely not the process. I'm
not hitting them that hard, and if I'm stumped, I'm not following up
with questions to you guys who are running them a lot.
There are things that Steve has posted on the tech page that are
absolutely top-notch: as good or better than anything I've seen.
But you astonish me with your statement that Emoclear will produce
"non-dual" states in 21 days of half-hour sessions. Do you
mean in people that do not have much experience with this clearing
stuff? Can you back up this statement? Does anyone else here have
anything to back up that statement?
Can this be true?
Mensing. You run these processes on people in your practice. Maybe some
of you other guys also. Are there people getting these states in three
weeks of half hour sessions?
Name: Obi Wan
Topic: The Ultimate
Sent: 20.35 - 3/31 2001
Dear Steven Karl,
I say this in greatest respect: I don't say it as an Avatar Master
(which I am not), or representing any point of view other than my own,
which, as you know, can be awfully presumptious and ill-mannered. If you
have a problem with the Ultimate Process, YOU have a problem. Hell, if I
can do it, YOU can do it. At least, I think you can do it.
Even though I have done many thousands of hours of processes in many
disciplines, I found the Ultimate Process to be the most profoundly
transforming act of my life.
No bullsh*t. Absolutely, without any reservation, the most profound.
Go find a good Master and retread the course. Please. I'm doing a
retread at one of those big deliveries in Southern California in five
weeks, and I'm counting down the days. Can I count on you being there
with me?
The rest of you guys: hey, surf's up!
Obi
Name: Steven Karl
Topic: Ultimate Process
Sent: 19.54 - 3/31 2001
I have always had one distinct problem with the Ultimate Process.
Without actually naming the steps, you are basically suppose to stretch
out your consciousness so that everything outside of you becomes part of
what is inside of you. So you become responsible for everything. And
then you can turn it off. The problem comes when I hear the car outside
or the leaf blower, etc. I then have a sense that those things are
outside of me, because I cannot turn them off (at least from where I am
sitting). It is like physical proof right there that there are things
outside of myself. Doesn't this circumvent the entire process?
I know that the wording will seem strange for those who have yet
experience it. Actually it may even sound strange to those who have done
the process. Sometimes words fail us.
Name: Yogi
Topic: Steve's music
Sent: 19.39 - 3/31 2001
Man, I like your taste in music, Steve. Sarod music was one of my
psychedelic mainstays.
And yes, I probably still have that 5-Cd NASA set around somewhere. CD
no. 3 has some incredible sounds which I swear must be the celestial
voices!
Only one thing: if I am not mistaken, Ali Akbar Khan is the famous
tablas master, and the Sarod master is named Ustad Allah Khan. I saw
Ustad Allah Khan a few years back in India at Osho's Ashram. He had
specially composed a suite for a blend of Eastern and Western
Instruments just for that concert. Amazing. Then he blew us all out
again in the second set with the traditional stuff. It was one of those
"glad I am alive and can experience this" evenings for me.
Also there is a composer still alive today that lives in Seattle named
Alan Hovhaness. His Third Symphony is what Carl Sagan chose as the theme
music for his famous "Cosmos" TV series. I recently had the
good fortune of being at a debut of a new symphony in which he used Zen
flute melodies as the theme material. Very mysterious and awe-inspiring
stuff. He has an Armenian heritage, and his melodies use the odd minor
tonalities of Armenian and Persian music. Great for altered states,
breathwork, or meditation, I would think.
Man, you can get me going on music forever, but I better stop now.
-Yogi
Name: Yogi
Topic: Music, meditation, non-dual
Sent: 19.21 - 3/31 2001
Hey, actually when I look back at that title for the post I made up, you
could use it as a map to non-dual.
You have probably experienced non-dual Obi, but all the hoo-haa people
have made up about it has you hoodwinked.
It's what happens when you run the Ultimate process of Avatar and
EVERYTHING really does discreate for you.
A good initiation Process from section III Avatar will do it, too. I
have seen it plenty of times, and in high numbers on Masters and Wizards
courses.
There's plenty of other processes that can do it too, but I named some
of the Avatar processes because I know you love the Avatar material.
Definitions all fall away, and with those, all pairs of opposites and
the tensions between opposites. Even being vs non-being dissolves.
Meditation is the original clearing practice, and will take you
ultimately to the non-dual. In meditation, clearing happens when
mindstuff confronts silence. Since there are no anchors to grab onto, no
opposing charge to interact with, no responses from the observer,
mindstuff just burns itself out like a dying star. The old yogis called
this "roasting the seeds of karma".
Clearing tech is basically techniques to speed up the process of
meditation. This is because 21st century people don't have several hours
a day for several years to practice. Modern people need to be able to
hit non-dual states in about three weeks with a half-hour a day of
practice. Hence Emoclear.
The people that have done 21 days Vipassana retreats and lots of Zen
sesshin will testify that meditation can definitely clear. It will also
spare you no pain in experiencing your creations. The silent observer
must be willing to witness it ALL. As that Hermann Hesse book
Steppenwolf declared,"the price of admission is your mind."
This is not to scare anyone, just to underscore that meditation is best
approached with commitment, and of course, the required sense of humor.
Your subconscious will bring up your most embarrasing and resisted
memories to be cleared. Best to just sit back and enjoy the show. That
fabulous movie of yourself!
-Yogi
Name: Obi Wan
Topic: Bravo! Brava!
Sent: 17.44 - 3/31 2001
Bravissimo! Thanks, guys. Very good attempts. But if I were from Mars
(not even close), I don't think I'd be understanding what you are saying
here.
Is this one of those "takes one to know one" deals, like being
in the Turtle Club?
Please. Will someone else take a crack at this?
Name: Cyndy
Topic: It's all Eve's Fault
Sent: 17.31 - 3/31 2001
One doesn't know how limiting words are until you try to describe the in
describable. To define that that is beyond definition.
I don't know if this is true or not. But someone once told me that no
where in the bible will you find a definition of what "love"
is. Only what it isn't.
I think one can get a better feel for what non-duality is by knowing
first what duality is. Duality to me is anything that has a polar
opposite. Beautiful/ugly, smart/dumb, hot/cold, good/evil and etc.
One can intellectualize non-duality and yet never quite grasp what it
is, until it is experienced.
And yet I have found most people have had some type of non-dual
experience. They might not understand it as that.
Was it Eve's fault? If she hadn't eaten the apple, would we all have
non-dual projector's? Anyways, duality is fun once you get the hang of
it.
Cyndy
Name: Steve Mensing
Topic: Daku: Thanks Obi: Non-duality etc
Sent: 16.36 - 3/31 2001
Daku: Thanks for the information about software for "ironing
out" tapes.
Obi Wan: Non-duality may be the most difficult expression in the
language to explain. Mainly because it distances itself from language
altogether. It is a nonconceptual experience and yet even
"experience" misses the mark because that creates the illusion
of a start and a finish.
In non-dual experience it's generally understood that no separation
exists between subject and object. The observer and observed are of the
same stuff: consciousness. Even the label consciousness can be pulled
off.
Non-duality might be discussed (and likely further confused)as a primal
consciousness with neither an outside or an inside. No location. No
Time. No Space. No polarities or opposites.
Flat out no no.
Words need not apply because they are nixed due to the fact that
non-duality is wordless and nonconceptual.
No distinctions. No objects. No self--unless you suddenly want to call
this all SELF--GOD--or one of those fancy Indian names.
It is consciousness, yet even that word is constraining.
Someone likened it to BEING ONE WITH THE MANY. Sort of, but not really.
Those words again Obi.
It has been likened to an existance that neither arises or subsides,
kind of a deathless reality. Darn that word "reality" has no
more substance than mind.
Back to square one. (Oneness loses it too--drat)
Non-duality has been described as: "all phenomena is
emptiness". Even emptiness is a concept and falls short.
It's been called a revelation via pure consciousness.
But dammit pure conjures up impure and we don't quite arrive there with
those notions.
It is not anything that a thought can create, yet anything is a thought
and falls short.
Noncognitive pure beingness. How many more at bats do I get. Maybe I
should give up "grasping" for it? I really should.
No past--no future. Some say really no present either because present
can not exist devoid of its competition.
No viewpoint? However a non-viewpoint would still be a viewpoint.
No boundaries. No defilements. Nah--that's not it.
We can point, but better remain mute. What are we pointing at? Nope.
No cognitive overlays on consciousness--just peel off the word
consciousness and anything else that pops up.
It's starting to seem as if all definitions of non-duality are in the
wrong language.
However you're liable to find the better non-definitions
in Zen, some forms of Taoism, the utilization of certain tech, in
certain forms of Shivaism, in Advaita Vedanta,and in certain forms of
Tibetan Buddhism. It occurs when the cognitive functions grind to a
halt.
Duality is separation--subject/object. A cognitively created illusion.
So we got sold a crummy projector. What can I say. Sometimes we better
pull the plug.
When I'm speaking of wholeness, I'm speaking of a sense of feeling
complete and self-contained. We are the source of love, acceptance,
security, power, serenity, creativity, and a sense of connection with
all life.
Hope others will give their impressions also, Steve
Name: Obi Wan
Topic: Duality? Whazat?
Sent: 13.48 - 3/31 2001
A few posts back, Steve mentioned "wholeness and non-duality".
I've heard a lot of definitions of "duality" and
"non-duality", and wonder what you guys feel it means.
Name: Daku
Topic: wishes come true
Sent: 09.43 - 3/31 2001
Steve M-
... old tape box. Some of these I wish I had on CD.
Did you know there is software available now that cleans up ambient
noise like tape hiss and needle pop and crackle as you transfer your old
format music onto CD with a CD burner. It also does something to make
the sound better than the source copy. Now that is way cool.
I read about it somewhere recently but I don't remember where. It wasn't
very expensive either. I'll bet you could search it out.
Best,
Daku
Name: Lyle Talbot
Topic: Steve M. and Entrancing music
Sent: 09.25 - 3/31 2001
Steve M.:
Too bad you're not enthusiastic about trance music or drumming. Heaven
forbid!
I have heard Vodun recordings with the drumming. The drumming grows
progressively chaotic and intense. It is music suitable for an exorcism.
I believe Voodoo drumming is there to effect possession states. I love
it! Now there is music to enhance the Barbarian Course which I shall
take no doubt. I want to cement my arrogance. I believe I will be able
to do that with the Jungle Fury Evocation!
Barbarians Unite! Bring back the Night!
Where is the Beast?
Lyle Talbot
Name: Steve Mensing
Topic: Trance Music Continued
Sent: 09.09 - 3/31 2001
Here's some exact titles from my old tape box. Some of these I wish I
had on CD. Some are likely out of print. You might want to check a Muse
machine for availability.
Drum items:
"Master Drummers of Dagbon" Vol. 1 & 2 Rounder
"Voodoo Trance Music/Ritual Drums of Haiti" Lyrichord
Rec.(Still in print)
These contain some really outstanding drumming, but are likely out of
print. I'd like to have cd's of these. Musart in Cupertino, CA produced
them.
"Ecstacy: Journey of Drums and Horn"
"Sonado Tambores (Dreaming Drums)"
"Sangoma Drums"
"Maruga"
"Journey of the Drums"
All of the above were done with Prem Das, Muruga, Shakti et al with a
Nada Drum among other percussion instruments.
Michel Uyttebroek did "Drums of Passion" and "Distant
Drums Approach" Both have some excellent trance riffs.
Spirit Drummers did "Magic"
Take Care, Steve
Name: Steve Mensing
Topic: Trance Music
Sent: 08.34 - 3/31 2001
Yogi:
The exact title of those space sounds I was talking about on LaserLight
was "Symphonies of the Planets" Vol.1-5. Those were the
Voyager recordings.
Some great trance drumming can be found on:
"Guem" Musiques De Trance on Chante Du Monde recordings.
Mickey Heart's "Planet Drum" has some good stuff on it.
"Drums of Death" (Maybe the Barbarian Course can use this
baby) on Avan.
"The Big Bang" has a lot of fine world percussion on it. It's
a three volume set.
There was a recording company called Muszart who put out some great
stuff about 8 years back. Prem Das, Big Black, Maruga and some other
percussionists worked with them. They used a water drum called a Quantum
Drum. They put out some really trancey discs. Among them was Journey of
Drums. I wish I had there stuff on CD. It was really first rate. They
were from the Pacific Northwest. Either Washington or Oregon. They had
it down right.
Lyrichord Discs has some fine Hatian trance drumming on their Voodoo
discs.
Take care, Steve
Name: Steve Mensing
Topic: Yogi: NASA Space music
Sent: 08.11 - 3/31 2001
Yogi:
If we're talking about the same NASA sounds, they're great for
breathwork exploration. They were the sounds Voyager sent back as it
traveled through the solar system. It creates long meandering electronic
rifts with bassey and changing sound patterns. An entire 5 volume set
can be had from Laserlight a budget disc company in L.A. I think they
call it Space Symphoney or something like that. Towers carry them.
Sometimes they're in the nature sound section or in the Electronica
Space Music section. They work like machine sounds.
I bet we're talking about the same thing. Actually several companies
have put out these Nasa space sounds which are in the public domain.
The tail ends of Ali Akbar Khan Sarod music where he's flying down the
road with his tabla player can be strongly evocative and bring up all
sorts of "stuff".
Drumming is great. Real Voodoo trance drumming works great. I'll be back
in a bit with some interesting drumming titles.
Take care, Steve
Name: Steve Mensing
Topic: Cee Jay: trance music, meditation
Sent: 07.59 - 3/31 2001
Cee Jay:
Some Pink Floyd would fit well especially the nonvocal variety. Years
ago I heard it employed in a Holotropic Breathwork workshop.
Hey if you want a good music source I just found this url last week and
would really enjoyed some of the downloads there. Not only do they have
the complete "Psychedelic Experience" by Leary et al, that
website also has an early work on using music in psychedelic therapy
which of course would have a cross application to breathwork
exploration. The title of this fairly long article or booklet is
"The Use of Music in Pyschedelic (LSD) Psychotherapy. The article
showed up in the journal of Music Therapy back in 72'.
It was by Helen Bonny and Walter Pahnke. Helen Bonny is the person who
put GIM (Guided Imagery with Music) together.
Here's the url:
Http;//www.csp.org/practices/entheogens/docs/bonny-music.html
For the Psychedelic Experience which was a 60's fave guidebook built
upon the "Tibetan Book of the Dead". This has applications to
breathwork exploration as well.
The url is:
http://www.erowid.org/archive/hyperreal/drugs/psychedelics/leary/psychedelic.html
The whole guidbook is there. It will bring back fond memories for some
and give some useful information ( psychedelicized Tibetan Book of the
Dead spin) on interior journeys in general.
Meditation such as found in Vipassana, Zen, and Mahamudra will clear,
but this is a longhaul process built on a slow gradient. It wears stuff
out and degrades charges. Meditation will eventually provide nondual
opportunities. It teaches patience and it is very helpful for developing
keen interior observation. It may be a slowboat in some areas, but it is
an ancient approach to the interior that provides discipline, opens up
compassion, and bestows a wealth of fine gifts on its practitioners. I
would reccomend the three I mentioned to anyone even if they have
experienced wholeness, nonduality, lots of clearing already, or the
ability to pick and choose their belief systems. There's much to be
learned from watching your breath or the contents of "mind".
Just sitting there with stiffness and boredom and a wandering mind can
be very informing.
Only One:
The Barbarian Course sounds like it might be pretty useful in coming to
grips with our estranged "self".
Take care, Steve
Name: Yogi
Topic: Trance music
Sent: 07.34 - 3/31 2001
Steve's list of music for breathwork is tried and true.
Many different things can be used as people go into a trance response to
different things.
For altered states exploration I like music with no vocals, and long
meandering soundscapes. I used one tape a lot with the light and sound
machines, it was by a group called Hidden Memories, the CD was called
Earth Island, and it worked really well. There was a track on it called
"Places In Between" that I liked a lot. It has synthesizers,
didgeridoos, guitars and really great tribal drumms and Brazilian
percussion.
There is some voices mixed in chanting shamanic prayers every now and
then. I found it really good for theta brainwave states.
The slow introductions to Indian ragas are great too. These intros can
last 15-30 minutes and will take you deep also.
I also used certain of the NASA space tapes, although this won't be
everyone's cup of tea.
-Yogi
Name: CeeJay
Topic: Trance Music/meditation
Sent: 07.18 - 3/31 2001
You might take a gander over on the tech page at the music that Steve
recommends to use with Breathwork.
Personally, I love Pink Floyd. I've used it so much that I have to be
careful if a song comes on the car radio while I'm driving. I easily go
into an altered state.
But I've used other music, other sound tracks. I like the one's produced
by Liquid Mind, and also sounds of recordings of outerspace.
I have also experimented with light and sound machines. I echo what
others have said. It's an interesting experience. Great for changing
brainwaves, but I don't think I ever cleared anything thru the use of
it. I only used it for a couple of months though.
Has anyone ever cleared something thru meditation? If not, then what is
the purpose of meditation?
CJ
Name: OnlyOne
Topic: Black NAP
Sent: 05.25 - 3/31 2001
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Don't you love Saturdays?
Name: Poster
Topic: Trance Music
Sent: 04.42 - 3/31 2001
What is some good trance-style music?
Name: Yogi
Topic: Glad NAP is back!
Sent: 00.01 - 3/31 2001
I am certainly happy NAP is back!
Steven K.,
Source gets wrapped in creations! That's what the FUN is all about!
David P. - I experimented with the Voyager light and sound machine and a
similar device. They were fun, but not especially powerful. My body
developed a tolerance to their effect after several sessions. I ended up
using the devices mostly to aid in ramping the brainwaves down for
sleeping. I did have some nice experiences using them along with
trance-style music.
-Yogi
Name: Steve Mensing
Topic: Beta spikes in Whole Brain Synchrony
Sent: 17.32 - 3/30 2001
William:
We should also mention that some beta spiking takes place along with
theta/delta in the "Awakened Mind" and "Whole Brain
Synchrony" This is where the sense of focused absorbtion comes into
play.
Take Care, Steve
Name: William Tekada
Topic: Repost: Brainwaves/clearing/healing
Sent: 17.00 - 3/30 2001
Paraphrase of Pluto Beseen reply to Yogi's question.
Yogi asked: What effect do brainwave states have on clearing and
healing?
I said:
I think in theta/delta we not only have access to deeper material, there
is something in those brainwave states, maybe energy or bioelectricity
that vaporizes thoughtforms, emoti-forms--when these masses are exposed
to it. In Emoclear when we blow something out, we are turning it back
into formlessness in an essence state that leaves an imprint. The memory
now contains the same sense of essence or a core state. It isn't
mass--it's like the ground of our being gets marked electrically with
the color of essence we evoked in the polarity. This could be wholeness,
basic goodness, serenity, power, completeness--any of those things we
searched for out there, yet found inside us at a deeper level. Beingness
for want of a better description.
Brainwaves were written about by Maxwell Cade, Julian Isaaks, Anna Wise,
and others in the neurofeedback area. They called this special region
Awakened Mind or Whole Brain Synchrony. It's super duper for bringing up
material and departiculating it. These states are often wordless and
timeless. Steve calls them Positive Black Holes.
Also when we're in Theta/delta our muscle tension is very, very low.
This might be why targets get deanchored and vaporized in awareness. Who
knows?
We could be making wild guesses here. The brainwaves are different and
they have been linked with healing states by the neurofeedback people.
If we're relaxed then it stands to reason our anchors don't have much
hanging onto them, resisting them.
William Tekada
The next is a paraphrase of Steve M.'s follow up post on Pluto Be Seen:
"Thanks for tossing up some light on this area. Elmer and Alice
Green have also written on this mysterious area of consciousness change
and healing. Likely our Postive Black Hole (What non resistance and
essence clearing states in general create) acts to demagnetize the
energy form's particulate mass and this makes it disintegrate before our
eyes. Deanchoring is likely a part of this process as well. Our muscle
tension does drop in theta/delta. Whatever we focus upon loses its body
anchor and this may cause the energy form or mass to be unresisted and
cleared in consciousness. Theta/delta based consciousness appears to
have intrinsic healing and clearing properties.
There's likely many other explanations that may fit the facts of
clearing and healing at these amplitudes.
Steve Mensing"
William Tekada
Name: Lyle Talbot
Topic: Steve K, Copper Foil L/S Machines
Sent: 14.02 - 3/30 2001
Steve K: could you give a brief run down on what Source is and how it
appears. Some of the newbies might not know exactly what those
expressions mean.
Agni:Copper Foil won't generate much chi I would guess. It certainly
won't hold up from being reclined upon.
Copper sheeting is pretty plentiful if your in any town over 50,000 pop.
Mack's description of telephone service from a sheet place is pretty
accurate. They want precise questions--uncertainty is outside of their
realm. Plus in most situations people who are working with pipes and
sheets are not generally people persons. It's like having a torrid
affair reasearch librarian. It ain't happening.
L/S machines generally will only entrain you for a few shots according
to reasearch unless they alter their pattern. I tried one and had fun
with it. You really don't need much of anything other than your body or
your brain. The copper bio-circuits get my okay. Their cheap to build
and will add something to the mix. Steve's prescription for 12 inch
squares provide a great shot of chi. They are also great for power naps
and stress fighting. The only gizmos I ever got off on were biocircuits,
epsom salt tanks, ganzfeld goggles.
Lyle Talbot
Name: SuperClear
Topic: Machine Clearing
Sent: 13.03 - 3/30 2001
I tried using my Maytag, watching it spin until I was in a altered state
but it broke down on the rinse cycle. Don't recommend it.
Name: David Paradise
Topic: Light and Sound Machines
Sent: 10.24 - 3/30 2001
Have any of you guys used light and sound machines as a catalyst for
clearing. I had a David Paradise Light and Sound machine and was
underwhelmed by it as a tool for meditation. It also broke down fairly
quickly after purchase. I am wondering if you guys have used anything
you were really impressed by as far as machinery for clearing goes.
Thank You,
Mr. Paradise
Name: Agni
Topic: Copper
Sent: 10.20 - 3/30 2001
I went to a craft store and they had a twelve x 36 sheet of something
called copper foil for about 12 dollars. Can the copper be too
thin....this stuff looked pretty damned flexible! But it also looked
like I could probably cut it with a normal scissors...any thoughts on
this, Oh Kings and Queens of clearing.
Name: Matt S
Topic: Thanks
Sent: 09.47 - 3/30 2001
Thanks for the help! I've found someplace that says they will cut sheets
that small and has fairly flexible sheets too, so I'll check them out.
The first 10 places I called either didn't have it or would only sell it
in 3 foot by 8 foot sheets for over 100 bucks! It pays to shop around...
Take care,
Matt
Name: Steven Karl
Topic: Food for Thought
Sent: 09.14 - 3/30 2001
Ever notice that
Pure Source, is often
wrapped in an identity,
wrapped in a creation
Name: Steve Mensing
Topic: William's response on Pluto Be Seen
Sent: 09.00 - 3/30 2001
William gave a fine response to Yogi's earlier question here about the
effect of brainwaves on healing and clearing masses. That response is
over on the Pluto Be Seen page. Hopefully when this page gets a little
more stable someone will transfer William's post here. In the intrim
check it out over on Pluto Be seen.
These pages may be a bit unstable yet. Keep a copy of anything long you
might want to post, because test posts vanished from here earlier this
morning.
Take care, Steve
Name: Steve Mensing
Topic: Matt: Biocircuits
Sent: 08.54 - 3/30 2001
Matt: It doesn't have to be terribly flexible, just bend a little to the
weight of your body. I don't know how guage figures in sheeting
thicknesses. The sheeting should be no thicker than a dime. Most of the
sheets of copper I've seen seem uniform in thickness. It's likely best
if you eyeball the sheets. If you live in a fair size city you should be
able to locate a number of spots that sell sheets. Scrap metal yards,
large hardware and homebuilding supply houses. Most will cut the
sheeting for you. I suspect Obi might be helpful here as he must deal
with lots of metals and possible suppliers. He might be able to give you
additional ideas on where to find copper sheets. Some roofing suppliers
may have copper shingles if you live in the East or Midwest where
slanted roofs are still in vogue especially in older churches.
Take care, Steve
Name: Mack
Topic: Biocircuits
Sent: 08.43 - 3/30 2001
Matt, you might be more successful if you check the yellow pages under
"Metals" and go in person to check out their scrap bin. That's
what I did. The degree of helpfulness and consumer-sensitivity in the
metal business might be somewhat lower than you are accustomed to, and
getting help over the phone might be a bit difficult when you're just
shopping for a few dollars worth of material. Typically they take orders
for truckloads, from customers who specify exactly what they want. Good
luck!
All the best
Mack
Name: Matt S
Topic: Biocircuit ?
Sent: 08.35 - 3/30 2001
I have been calling some places locally to try to find copper sheeting
for a biocircuit and haven't had much luck. The only place that could
cut 12 by 12 squares for me said the metal was 26 gauge. He said that
wasn't very flexible.
I don't speak metal very well...does anyone know how thick 26 gauge is
and whether that would be workable for a biocircuit?
Thanks,
Matt
Name: tester
Topic: testing testing 123
Sent: 08.29 - 3/30 2001
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Name: NAP
Homepage: http://pluto.beseen.com/boardroom/o/50884/
Topic: Returning to normal
Sent: 07.25 - 3/30 2001
I think our forum is on its way to returning to us. There does seem to
be some needed adjustments but at least we are better off than we were
yesterday. Stay tuned.
In the mean time, if this place goes down again, try the New Awareness
Page at the above listed address.
Name: Steven Karl
Topic: Raul, One, Mack
Sent: 17.45 - 3/27 2001
Raul,
Are you refering to the Release Technique as taught by Larry Crane (as
opposed to the Release Method) where you put your head down, imagine
the tube into you and feel the feelings shoot upward?
Thanks for the comment on Wilber. He seems to get difficult to
understand though. He has lots of "creations".
Beyond,
Very true. But I think Steve gets lots of appreciation. He has a whole
guestbook full of thank you's from all over the world. And that is
just the tip of the iceberg.
Mack,
Great rundown of that process. I have never heard of it before.
Through it I kept wondering what the sleep deprevation had to do with
the methodology.
Who am I? Good question.
This experiencer.
Name: Raul
Topic: The Release Technique
Sent: 17.27 - 3/27 2001
The Release Technique looks to simple to be really effective on the
first viewingof it,but that also is the power of the technique.
The technique does not requere that you stop what you are doing to
implement the use of it.
Thus the more you use it the greater the the sense of freedom one
attains. To get the full use of it you have to release all day long.
It becomes a way of life. A beautiful one I might add. Because you are
feleasing canstantly rarely does anything big come up. But if it does
you simply release it to .
Iv'e tried it all from A to Zen,and all types of self helptech and the
release technique is the best Iv'e come across.
Steve I read Ken Wilbur's "No Boundaries" and it was a great
book . He is a really great writer and very deeeeeeeeep !
Much Shanti
Raul
Name: BeyondOne
Topic: Oh, by the way...
Sent: 17.07 - 3/27 2001
I was reading this and thought of Steve.
"Expediently, to guide us, he acts just like us.
In truth he is completely different from us all.
His realization makes him the noblest of us all.
Skilled at cutting through our doubts, he bears with patience
All our discouragement and lack of gratitude."
Thanks for your insights on hatred.
Sent: 16.58 - 3/27 2001
twenty people, 20, not @0
Name: Mack
Topic: Enlightenment Intensive Update
Sent: 16.54 - 3/27 2001
For Justine and anyone else interested in the Godening Intensive, my
friend Will in Florida just gave me the following info:
@0 people attended, and the cost was $395 for 3 days. Surprisingly,
over half the class didn't even have an idea or an opinion what
"enlightenment" was: they had signed up for the most part
because someone close had taken it and liked it.
There is one simple drill for three days: you ask the question
"Who am I?" several thousand times, in different contexts.
You are only allowed six hours of sleep a night and fatigue and
boredom grow to challenging proportions. You just keep working through
all of that, and one of the few variations of the "Who am
I?" question involves a "dyad" drill where you and a
partner tell one another for five minutes who you think you are.
Will tells me that by day three his brain felt "combed out with a
fine tooth comb" and his perceptions were much clearer than
normal, and he felt extremely peaceful and surrounded by a sense of
well-being he has never really experienced before, a bit to his own
surprise. He's been doing this kind of consciousness-altering stuff
for some 15 years now, usually more elaborate stuff, and he tells me
he was surprised to experience such a simple drill as being so
powerfull.
He tells me he didn't "Get it" (enlightenement) but he said
the weekend was nonetheless well worth it. However, one of his dyad
partners did get "it" right in the middle of her description
to him of who she thought she was.
Will said there was no mistaking it: you could see and feel a
transformation in her, and that a wave of pure love energy emanated
from her spontaneously, to the point where the whole group went silent
and closed their eyes and basked in it for awhile. This happened to
four others with a similar effect.
Will asked her later what it was like and she was completely unable to
describe it, not surprisingly, but he says when he asked the question,
he once again felt this extraordinarily beautiful wave of love energy
radiate from her, a wave that was powerful enough to make even him
feel a bit like he was floating on a cloud.
All in all a great endorsement, I thought. Everyone was offered a
refund at the end and no one took one.
Will tells me that more than ever now he really experiences himself as
the creator of his reality, and he feels he accomplished a permanent
shift in awareness similar to what Avatar produces. In effect he feels
much more in control.
Footnote: He tells me that after returning from the intensive, some
friends dropped by and someone pulled out some weed, and from old
habit he was quickly in a cannabis-induced altered state. As soon as
he became aware that he was though, he decided he didn't like it. So
just out of curiousity he ran an Avatar process and totally popped out
of being stoned, completely overcoming the effect of the chemical. I
thought that was remarkable.
I'm tempted to take this Godening thing myself from what I hear and as
I mentioned before, Will is pretty objective and reliable in what he
reports.
All the best
Mack
Name: Steven Karl
Topic: Ken Wilber
Sent: 15.56 - 3/27 2001
I have recently been reading a book by Ken Wilber, One Taste. It is
actually his diary for one year with his thoughts and meditation
techniques included. Wilber is suppose to be a spiritual and awareness
theorist. It is interesting reading.
Has anyone else read Ken Wilber or have opinions on his work?
Name: Mirika Chen
Topic: Biocircuits and hate
Sent: 14.02 - 3/27 2001
I have really enjoyed my biocircuits over the last week. Sergey's
Russian site was very helpful with it's pictures. I've had trouble
feeling rested and relaxed somedays because of my schedule with book
work and school. I've had power naps with my bio-circuits that have
made feel very well rested. For the rest and stress breaking alone I
think the biocircuits are invaluable. If I time the Biocircuits just
right and my body lets me know, I wake up very rested and sharp
minded. Over the weekend I combined the Cortical Runner with the
biocircuit and found it gave me extremely sharp visuals of events. I
am talking about very sharp. I would hold the handles under my hands
on my face. It worked very well. My boyfriend like the relaxation
properties so much he made a set of biocircuits for his father who
sufferes from chronic insomnia. His dad found it worked very well. I
really love that I have these things. The rest it gives means quite a
bit.
I really enjoyed Steve's, Mack's, and Yogi's reads on hate. It does
seem like a plague on the world. There are so many of these groups out
there that are fanatic and hateful. They have a warped view of others.
The fanatic groups in the middleeast and Afghanistan are very
dangerous. They see America as some preditory monster. It seems like
extreme and longlasting anger. They can only see the United States one
way. That Ben Layden and his people put out some of the weirdest
philosophies.
Last year I was handed some Aryian Nations literature in Sacremento. I
looked at it and it was pretty scary material. The people who wrote it
had a very funneled view of reality. They were really wierd about Jews
and Afro-Americans. Like they only had these beastly qualities. Is
there an education available about hate thinking? I know hate groups
are put down. Is there anything out there where people can look at how
scrunched up their thinking is. It's very dangerous to think like
this. It can really hurt people and does. Fanatics operate from a
different mindset entirely. I guess it never dawns on them that their
thinking is off. They do see others in just one way, a very negative
and crazy way.
Love, Mirika Chen
Name: Steve Mensing
Topic: H A T E * H A T E * H A T E
Sent: 06.25 - 3/27 2001
Beyond One and others:
Hate, as we all know, is a time consumming pain in the ass that hurts
its producer as well as his targets.
It is an aversive emotion fueled by distorted beliefs.
When we hate, we not only produce strong negative emotions, distort
our perceptions, stress ourselves, often impact on our hated targets
in a way that gets negative feedback, we also create cortisol and
oxidative stress aging ourselves in the process and lowering our
immune response. Hate pays poorly. The world is littered with the
historical remanants of hate. The chap, who once called the Jews a
bacterium in "Mein Kampf", has his bullet shattered skull
fragment on display in an enemy's museum.
Hate likely produces far more suffering for the hater than the hated
unless the hater acts on his anger and hostility. There are people who
stumble around through life hating others for years and never letting
it go.
Hate may serve a useful function in a time of war when we better hate
an enemy. It makes killing easier. Hopefully there are better answers
than war, but life is imperfect and sometimes we must respond to
civilization's trances. Hate is a strong reminder of a perceived
wrong. Yet how long do we hang on to this emotion that appears to hurt
us more and our targets less?
What is hate? It's anger, loathing, and hostility directed toward
someone or something. I hate Mr. Piggles because he did x or he is x.
In order to hate someone or somthing, that someone or something has to
break our rule or rules about how life should be conducted. And in
their breaking of our rule, they suddenly become one-dimensional
labels in our eyes.
Hate and prejudice go hand in hand. Predjudice resides at the heart of
hate. Prejudice is a set of trance beliefs based on
overgeneralization. Overgeneralization is where several instances of a
category are seen as an entire category. Overgeneralization comes in
two basic flavors. (1) An event happens and we conclude it will occur
again and again. (Ex: I got canned, I'll always get canned). But
here's where hate/predjudice often show up: (2) You evaluate yourself,
others, or something by only one or a few traits. (Ex: Arcturians are
loud, uncooth, and lazy).
When we overgeneralize we better focus on the: (1)Frequency of
occurrence because this will provide a more realistic assessment. (2)
Recognize that everyone and everything possesses a multitude of
neutral or positive qualities and not just one or a few negative
qualities.
In hate we are focused on only the negative and this is a strong clue
that we are involved in a trance condition. Mal Epps did such and such
and he's a $@&%*#!
In hate they broke our rule and instantly become a one
dimensional-label. He did that awful thing and now he's a %^&#*@!
Someone cuts you off in traffic and instantly you hate them. You might
call them *%*#%. Breaking a rule and becoming a trance belief is the
essence of hate.
It's sad sometimes, but if you've ever read the literature of some
anti-hate groups they often hate hate groups. They want to stamp out
prejudice. Those dirty rotten sick bastards in those hate groups.
Years a go the "Man in the Street", the guy who used to say
"Hi Ho Steverino" on the Steve Allen Show, said: "I
hate hate groups." It made me laugh, yet it made me think.
How do we free ourselves of hate? How do we stop others from hating?
How do we remove the impact of hate on ourselves.
We've heard stories of how love and compassion have overcome hate and
predjudice.
Hate and predjudice can be brought down to earth in ourselves through
a number of ways:
(1)Compassion Drills.
(2)Jotting down your exact hateful thoughts and emotions toward
others. Look at your rules that were broached, but more importantly
look at the labels and overgeneralizations you have about another. For
every hateful label or overgeneralization, find 100 positive
characteristics or qualities. Then find 100 neutral characteristics or
qualities. You may also exaggerate that person's or thing's negative
qualities until they seem downright silly. You're dealing with a
trance here.
(3) Hate, if you realize it's not really cost effective emotionally
for you, can be cleared and integrated. You may need to know what
useful function it did for you on one level, even though it was eating
the heck out of you.
(4) If Hate is stuck, you may want to experience it with the Accept
this, Love That exercise.
(5) Forgive the person you hated. Say to yourself with conviction:
"I forgive he, she, them, myself, and the universe for what
happened. They or it were doing what they believed the situation
called for." Gently tap on the webbing between your thumb and
next finger about 20 times while you make these statements.
Now specifically to What Beyond One was asking. I'm not in your shoes
there, but I've had people hate me. If it's bothering you or
disturbing you there may be a number of reasons.
A part of us desires to be socially accepted. Most of us dislike when
others hate us or despise us. We might feel this is "unfair"
or they're really not seeing us as we are. Further what they said or
did impacted on our our hidden belief systems about ourselves. We may
assume that if others hate us there may be something wrong with us at
some level. This can help us trigger some of these old hidden beliefs.
So the basic challenges here are:
(1) Checking out any of our unfairness beliefs and seeing how these
might be impacting on our feelings.
(2) Observing any beliefs we might have about being seen as we
actually are. If we're demanding it, we can be angry.
(3) Check out any beliefs where we might think there's something wrong
with us.
Hidden belief exercises, compassion drills, your favorite clearing
tech come to mind.
Take care, Steve
Name: Mack
Topic: Hate
Sent: 23.17 - 3/26 2001
Yogi, those are some great thoughts on hate. I think you're right, in
that fear is a big factor underlying hate. But other feelings fuel
hate as well, such as envy, resentment, greed, and a feeling of
entitlement.
As you noted, hate withers in the light of truthful exposure, and it
has no inherent strength. It gives the hater a temporary illusion of
power, which makes it appealing to the weak.
But the effect is ephemeral, and perhaps similar to what happens to a
man who, in order to warm himself on a cold winter day, urinates in
his pants. There is a brief moment of delightful comfort followed
by...well, you know.
I have hated in the past, from time to time, but I was always keenly
aware that doing so weakened me, so I deliberately found ways to stop
myself from doing that. This practice has benefitted me a great deal
over the years, I must say.
On the other side of the coin, I always felt energy flowing to me when
people hated me, which several have over the years. For that reason, I
never worried about being liked and have even mildly thrived on
certain people directing their rage toward me.
That was a kind of guilty pleasure though, and I began to feel a bit
like I was kind of taking advantage of them by allowing them to feed
me strength by hating me, so I stopped doing that too. Encouraging
people to hate me that is.
The intersting thing about hate, to me, is this quality of utter
banality, and stupidity, that underlies it. If you look at closeups of
Hitler you'll see an unusual flat dull blankness in his eyes in every
photo, and the man in person was reportedly the most profoundly boring
and insipid person alive when he wasn't giving orders.
That's when he lit up, and so did the people around him. So even
though it's inherently weak and arguably moronic, it's useful not to
underestimate the danger of hate. It's so easy a flame to ignite and
fan, but we're also lucky that truth can so easily put it out.
All the best
Mack
Name: Yogi
Topic: hate
Sent: 22.49 - 3/26 2001
People motivated by hate can do extreme things.
Appreciate them greatly, do lots of clearing on your issues with them.
Watch them closely, and be prepared. Do not let them suck you into
their game, and be fully prepared , willing, and able to take
appropriate countermeaseures when necessary.
Hate is based on fear. Treat them like entities stuck in a repeating
creation. That's actually what they are.
Lots of compassion. But no sympathy. Their actions may be motivated by
fear, but yours are not. You are in control, because you have the
ability to think clearly.
When dealing with entities, the whole trick of the entity is to make
you think they are powerful and in control. It's just smoke. You are
in control, and more powerful. Think about it, you'll see what I mean.
Many hate groups have been taken out. They have been exposed, they
have been financially bankrupted by expensive court cases. Shining the
light on haters is like shining focused awareness on an entity. They
shrivel up pretty quickly. Go public, make sure your whole town knows
this person (or people) hate you. When they know that everything they
do against you is under the public spotlight, I think you'll see a
real fast cooling down. Once they understand that you are prepared and
you know what you're doing, they usually back off.
Remember, haters are basically very afraid people.
-Yogi
Name: Yogi
Topic: Lamas are people, too
Sent: 22.28 - 3/26 2001
I think the Tibet thing is really fascinating.I watched that movie
about the whole thing that came out a few years back, the one that was
directed by Martin Scorcese. The movie was approved as being realistic
by His Holiness himself. I have watched His Holiness speak on the net.
He's a very, very compassionate being. I don't know all that stuff
about being the 14th incarnation of the Buddha, maybe it's a myth, but
myths can serve very real and powerful functions in society and in
people's lives. The Tibetans remind me of the American Indians. They
are really earthy, and have a great sense of humour. You might be
surprised to find out that they know a few things about Peyote too.
I went to a concert of a famous Tibetan singer, who was doing a
benefit tour for her people a couple of years ago, I couldn't
pronounce her name, much less remember it. Anyway, we were a little
late, and the hall was sold out. My buddy and I and about 20 other
people were left just standing around behind the theater. Then someone
poked their head out of the back door and said to wait. It turns out
that when the singer heard that we were locked out of the concert, she
felt so bad about this that she held off the opening of her show for
about 20 minutes while she came out and sang a couple of songs for us
just there in the parking lot. That's the kind of people they are.
Good folks.
They have had their internal squabbles, and they are a political bunch
as much as any ethnic group. There was a real bitter squabble, I think
it's still going on, when His Holiness made some comments about a
poarticular wrathful deity that is connected with certain lineages.
Even His Holiness can incur lots of anger by dissing someone's
cherished god.
The Tibetans were squashed for the same reasons we squashed the
American Indians. The Chinese have since gone on to deforest and
ecologically trash quite a bit of the Tibetan Plateau. True acts of
stupidity, if you ask me.
The Chinese are a complex people. I have met some really nice Chinese
people. This is totally at odds with some of the things I see their
government doing.
Then again, I feel the same way about our government too. I guess
politics and war are kind of the same everywhere.
-Yogi
Name: Daku
Topic: Stale stuff
Sent: 20.43 - 3/26 2001
Been out of town for a few days and the board has moved on to new
subjects. I have some communications for Cyndy and Lyle. C, I will
email you soon. L, will you pleae contact me off board?
tx,
Daku
Name: Daku
Topic: Tibet
Sent: 20.33 - 3/26 2001
Mack- You might want to read Freedom in Exile, the auto biography of
the Dalai Lama. It is a real eye opener as to the very human emotions
and foibles of the tulkus and lamas. They got into petty squabbles and
even physical fights with each other accordiing to the Dalai Lama
himself. Interesting reading. Really bursts any idealistic projections
one might have about Tibetan holy men.
As to why they were overrun by China, Steve is right, they were way
outgunned, but another major factor was that the nations that they
reached out to for help, the US being one of them, refused to lend a
hand because of what they themselves wanted to get from China.
Business as usual. Money is more important than human life.
Daku
Name: Obi Wan
Topic: Hate and the Dalai Lama
Sent: 19.31 - 3/26 2001
I admire the Dalai Lama. This guy is so cool, ice water must run in
his veins. L. Ron Hubbard said the Dalai was "a problems release
like you've never seen before".
No wonder. The guy is like the 13th incarnation of the Living Buddha
of compassion. Or something like that.
The guy left his home country 40 years ago with a hundred thousand of
his followers. He now travels the world spreading the good word, and
getting Tibetan Buddhism to places he'd never have dreamed of in his
first dozen incarnations. People all over the free world love this
guy, even if they don't know diddley about his beliefs.
Of course, he's not very popular with the unholy bunch that gave him
the boot from Tibet. To them, he's the evil separationist criminal who
they suspect of hatching plots to take their re-education camps away.
They really hate. Soon they will be dust and molecules.
What does he care? Pretty soon, he'll be the 14th incarnation of the
Buddha of Compassion.
Beyond One asks how to handle hate. Don't. Just take the long view,
and don't let hate handle you.
Name: Cyndy
Topic: Love vs Hate
Sent: 19.21 - 3/26 2001
Beyond One,
Awhile back we had a discussion on what the opposite of love was. I'm
not sure you were a regular participant here. So I really would like
your thoughts on this.
Do you see hatred as the opposite of love?
Now, I'm still holding out that the opposite of love is fear. And that
we hate out of fear.
But then again, what I define love as, is probably a whole lot
different than what others define it as. Sort of like that God
thinging. Although I haven't been able to come up with an adequate
label, I know it isn't what most perceive God to be.
Is Hatred in the same boat as Fear? Just an illusion?
How do we help others to see it's all make believe?
Much love,
Cyndy
Name: Obi Wan
Topic: Phooey!
Sent: 19.07 - 3/26 2001
I'm with NAP. The cops in the Rodney King state trial had plenty of
cause to whack that guy. He's lucky the woman officer he charged
didn't waste him. While I regret that they probably whacked him a few
extra times, I contend it was adrenalin rather than criminal intent.
The Clinton/Reno decision to retry those officers for federal civil
rights violations, and to move the trial to downtown L.A., was one of
the more sickening instances of pandering to a voting bloc this
country has seen in a hundred years.
There are plenty of instances of police brutality and hate, but the
Rodney King incident wasn't one of them. The entire tape, which
actually demonstrated an excellent degree of compassion on the part of
the officers, was only shown a few times on TV. It was too long to
maintain viewer interest.
It didn't need an NLP guy to convince me. When a guy who has led
police cars on a high speed chase through crowded streets jumps out of
his car, charges a lady cop with her gun drawn, and laughs at demands
to halt: ho ho ho.
The sad part is that if the police officers had shot him dead dead
dead at that point, no one would have questioned their judgement.
Instead it became a civil rights case and a political football.
And worse: police are now taught that it's better to shot to kill,
because the dead don't show up to testify in court. In my city in the
years following the guilty verdicts in the civil rights case, clearly
insane people have been killed for threatening officers with a fork.
Another with a twig from a tree. Or a rock. If the cops kill them,
their butt is covered. If they swarm and injure them, they can expect
to hand their kid's college fund to the "poor victim's"
attorney in civil court.
So here's the tech tip: for a long and happy life,when the peace
officer approaches your vehicle, keep your hands in plain sight, and
greet him with courtesy and respect. Not only don't you know what he
has had to contend with today, but you don't know if he just came from
a training film regarding how to hang onto his house and retirement
fund.
Keep breathing, and trust the police force
Obi
Name: Teko
Topic: Lyle, Steve Karl
Sent: 18.48 - 3/26 2001
Lyle, Steve K.: The Cortical Incident Runner rocks.
Pleaz, Pleaz don't remember Alec Guiness as Obi Wan. Such a travesty.
Remember him in Bridge on the River Kwai. Didn't he get the Oscar for
that? I saw it last year on either AMC or Turner Classics for the
first time and Alec was great!
Teko
Name: Lyle Talbot
Topic: Steve Karl
Sent: 17.43 - 3/26 2001
Steve Karl:
I love the M.G. and a slew of other Mensing techs, but if I was to
take one tech with me to a desert isle it would be the Cortical
Incident Runner. I absolutely believe the C.I.R. would clear a Rhino
is a suit of stainless steel armor. It packs dynamyte and clears movie
scenes not just single feelings. It works at a number of dynamic
levels. I really think it is a terrific combination of breathing,
eventing, and that neurovascular head configuration with the fingers
beneath the nose notch. I don't think it even gets stopped by
allergies. It bulldozes through them. There's three different clearers
and my favorite headgrasp. That headgrasp is a marvel. The
neurvasculars are covered, the notich beneath the nose which keep
flows going the right way, and the palm over the front cortical region
with the neurovascular pinch. Simple to do and very, very potent. It
is a totally devistating clearing machine and simple to use for most
people.
As far as the police situation in California goes I do know for a fact
the defense team for the policeman used an NLP person and he advised
them to run the beatings over and over as much as they could. Most of
us pedestrians know nothing of the event prior to the beatings. We're
only privey to what the newsmedia shows or reports. We're not thos
police later convicted or am I thinking of another case? False memory
syndrome on my behalf. I did think excessive force was used after the
man was down. He was down.
Not trying to stir the politcal...much. The police have a tough job to
do. I have no doubt they are under lots of stress from bad schedules
to having their lives in danger. You never know when you ask someone
to step out of their car or hand over their licsence. It's every bit
as dangerous as being a soldier in some cities. There are some bad
hombres out there.
Lyle Talbot
Name: Lyle Talbot
Topic: Hypnosis & Memories
Sent: 17.25 - 3/26 2001
Fred:
This is an important question you ask.
Hypnosis is very reliable for retrieving memories as long as you don't
do the following:
1--ask the person a leading question. If you do they will likely
confabulate (hallucinate) an event in a deep trace state or dreaming.
2--Set up a framework. You ask questions which pressupose a certain
reality. If you do this the hypnotized will most assuredly create an
event coinciding with the framework.\
These two problematic approaches have wrecked hypnosis as a tool in
forensic discovery. Hypnotically gained information can not be used in
most states as evidence.
However self-hypnotic trances are wonderful for bringing feelings and
memories to the surface as long as no leading questions or
presuppositions are utilized. Simple and natural trancework work very
well. Just allow your unconscious to unfold in its own natural way. It
can bring stuff to the surface that is not dreamed into creation. Up
on the tech page there is provided those open natural trance drills.
They create a relaxed and open setting and no frameworks or leading
questions that might create confabulation. However never ask yourself
if you remember being assualted or anything like that, because chances
are you will create a false memory of such a thing happening. Also
never go down there with the intention of finding specific events. If
you do--presto you'll come up with everything you "thought"
happened to you. Just be open to anything that surfaces.
If you suspect you've been traumatized--do this work with a therapist
who knows about false memories and their production. Otherwise you'll
run the probability of getting something that never occurred.
It's easy to see how some past life regressionists, using old style
authroitarian hypnosis are able to bring up some silly past lives by
asking their subjects leading questions or setting up pressupositions
that bring socalled past lives to the surface. Now It's entirely
possible that there may be past lives--but they should not come from
the region of dreamtime where I suspect many of those sorts of
phenomena do. Like UFO abductions and the like, these are easily
manufactured in dreamtime. Once as an experiement with a friend, he
asked me leading questions about being abducted. I then had a rapid
and very vivid memory of my ride through the heavens and the
operation. And a good laugh afterwards. I had to go under again to get
that silly thing out of there. It's very easy to discreate memories in
dreamtime also.
Other methods for bringing up memories would be direct feelings work,
being very relaxed and open, doing left nasal breathwork, circular
breathing and even circular breathing in a hot tub, biocircuit
breathing, space synchrony drills. These are excellent. Seated
meditation will eventually spill memories into conscious view. All are
excellent. Don't force it and you'll get your memories as your
unconscious is prepared.
If you want to know more about confabulation, false memories, and
hypnosis in forensic settings you might wish to look up Martin Orne or
false memory syndrome on the internet. I'm certain there's something
posted.
Lyle Talbot
Name: Steven Karl
Topic: Weekend
Sent: 17.21 - 3/26 2001
I can see that I missed a wild weekend here. Too bad. I would have had
lots of comments.
First of all, I think Steve Mensings' post regarding the problems of
beginning the Emoclear tech was outstanding. It was sort of like the
basic training for beginners and lead down the road. Perhaps that
should be up on the Tech Page, in one form or another. Steve is
absolutely right about CIR. In my experience I had problems using
Emoclear, but the CIR cuts through like a knife-- even better than the
MG.
It was Alec Guiness who played Obi Wan and died last year (about mid
year). And I don't think he was too happy about forever being linked
to that character.
My biggest contention is Steve's comment about the officers being
acquitted at the Rodney King trial because of the NLP expert. I think
a bigger factor was that once the entire tape was played (not the 8
second exerpt) it showed how justified the officers were in their
actions. But enough said about that. I don't want to get deleted due
to politics.
Name: BeyondOne
Topic: Hatred
Sent: 16.21 - 3/26 2001
Mack, I'm not sure what you said, but I'm hip that a Mac 10 ain't
necessarily a new OS. So no disagreements here.
I've been involved with more hatred today than I think most people see
in two days. Oh hell. Anyway, I'm really curious to get all you
fat-brain's take on hatred and how to process it. My hole card has
always been forgiveness, but I tell you, that completely struck out
today. Any better ideas?
Name: Mack
Topic: Tibet, Cyndy's Post
Sent: 16.01 - 3/26 2001
Thanks for the perspective on Tibet, Steve. I never thought of the
karmic consequences of yak rustling.
Cyndy, RE: "Everybody does what they believe to be the right
thing".
This paraphrases an idea I personally subcribe to strongly. However, I
ran that by Obi and he whipped out his light sabre and cut me off at
the knees.
Basically what I said was "Everyone does the best he/she
can" and I didn't get a chance to expand on my statement before
withering before Obi's scorn. Sometimes I'm a wimp.
I might preface this by stating that obviously, most of us (in theory
anyway) can do a lot more than they actually, and do it a lot better.
Few people have no room for improvement whatsoever.
Still, in contrast to what we COULD be doing, what we end up actually
doing, in my view, is primarily a function of what we believe we are
limited by in ourselves, and what we believe contrains us in the
world.
In other words, beliefs about what we can and can't do, as well as
beliefs about what is and isn't possible, really limit us from being
"all we can be" and I believe that this limiting factor
operates to a greater or lesser extent in everyone.
For a superachiever like Steve it might kick in as a belief that he
can only work 20 hours a day and not a minute more, and some suffering
client knocking on his door at 3 am is just going to have to wait. In
reality of course, Steve could probably easily squeeze out yet another
half-hour a day of work, but he believes he needs a certain amount of
rest and so forth.
I see the same rule working in the lives of derelicts I have met.
Quite often they seem to firmly believe that literally anything and
everything that might be acomplished in life is impossible for them,
OR, even when they do believe that it would be possible to live a
"normal" life they believe they don't deserve it, and so
forth. These are lousy examples but you get the idea. It's just
beliefs attached to more beliefs, like bunches of grapes.
Paraphrasing scripture, "as you believe so shall it be done unto
you" and this really rings true to me. The bottom line to me is,
everyone deserves compassion because I believe that if they only
changed a few key beliefs, their lives would be completely different.
And in that respect, that makes everyone just like me.
Well that's my opinion anyway and even though my belief about this
could be wrong, I don't care: I'm not changing it antime soon. And
besides, I do lock my doors and I also carry a gun whenever I think
it's necessary...to me this kind of behavior is not inconsistent with
being a compassionate person.
OK, I'm bracing for the counterattack. Let 'er rip.
All the best
mack
Name: Fred
Topic: Repressed memories
Sent: 08.28 - 3/26 2001
Is there a way to recover repressed memories without using hypnosis?
I've heard that hypnosis is unreliable in recovering memories. I can't
remember my childhood although i can't pinpoint any explanation for
this.
Name: Matt S
Topic: PS- John Gastly
Sent: 08.18 - 3/26 2001
John G.-
I forgot to respond to your question a few days ago. If you wouldn't
mind, I'd prefer an email.
Name: Matt S
Topic: Surface feelings vs gut feelings
Sent: 08.15 - 3/26 2001
Hi all. I'm catching up on the reading from this weekend. Funny how
one post can give rise to a stimulating conversation...
Anyway, Steve posting something about "trusting your gut."
He made mention of the difference between surface feelings and gut
feelings. The surface feelings just being a reflection of
often-limiting beliefs, while gut feelings being more intuitive.
How do you get past the surface feelings and gain access to these gut
feelings? I tend to be more analytical. I'm sure I use my gut to some
degree, but if I were to try to consciously use this skill, I wouldn't
know where to begin. Any ideas?
Take care,
Matt
Name: Lurker
Topic: Fasting and meditation
Sent: 08.13 - 3/26 2001
Has anyone here ever tried fasting for a quieter mind and what type of
meditation would go best with a 3 day fast for a beginner to
meditation?
Name: Grieving Public
Topic: Sad Realization
Sent: 08.10 - 3/26 2001
Last night's Oscar ceremony included the memorial section honoring
those who had died in 2000. One of them was the actor who played Obi
Wan in the Star Wars Trilogy.
It was the first I had heard of it.
I was deeply saddened to learn of his passing.
Does anyone know when he died?
Name: Steve Mensing
Topic: Ross: Somataform Disorder
Sent: 07.14 - 3/26 2001
Hi Ross:
I aplogize for those who would make light of your suffering. We have a
disproportianate number of jokers here. I see no mean spiritedness in
this, rather they are shedding another light on your reality which I
am certain is painful. Hopefully there will come a time in your future
when you can look back and see what Woody Allen and Richard Lewis have
portrayed in numerous shticks.
The somatform disorder you describe sounds like something the DSM
would call hypochondriasis. This when we fear illnesses or dire
outcomes from actual physical symptoms like you're describing.
Basically we're having phycal symptoms and interpreting them through
the filter that something dredful will happen.
This happens in a heightened way in panic disorder when
hyperventalation is added to the mix of this interpretation and
creates a powerful trance situation where the panic trauma can be
resisted and implanted.
Having hypochondriasis can be excruciating. Especially if the person
having it has a profound fear of death or loss of control.
At the heart of this challenge is two powerful beliefs:
"Something catastrophic is happening" "Death is really
horrible"
These beliefs and their feelings are often enlisted as a defense
mechanism agaist feeling overwhelmed in other areas of your life. If
you're feeling out of control or are anxious and this is overwhelming
you, your unconscious can take this disaster filter and add it to any
sensations you're having like shortness of breath, tingling, dizzyness,
skipped heart beats, gastric acidity, failed memory, headaches and the
like. People really strongly identify with this goings on to the point
of really hypnotically agonizing about it. People will obsess on these
symptoms bigtime. This is a natural defense against feeling overwhelm
only it works too darn well. As they say in that old Chinese tale that
the Core Trans people mention: You're burning down the house to roast
a pig. The defense becomes a problem.
There is much that can be done for hypochondriasis. I'm glad that you
recognize you have a challenge here because it will make your mission
easier. Although I'm sure you can get swept up by this process in a
heartbeat.
Somatform challenges can be learned from modeling parents behavior. If
parents or caregivers had a tendency to experience their conflicts and
strong emotions as actual physical symptoms, the chances are you'll
pick this up also. Overprotectoiveness can also spur this problem.
Having undergone actual severe illness can traumatize us and leave us
with this filter. Having learned that death is an awful event can
heighten this challenge's impact. Or even having a parent die when
your young may have you fretting and worrying about your own symptoms
and sensations.
In overcoming hypocondriasis it may be helpful to list your various
fearful beliefs and evaluations of your symptoms. Also pay close
attention to your beliefs about death. Ontological dred is very
powerful stuff.
We can fear the loss of control, great ongoing hellish pain,
separation from loved ones, loss of a sense of self, and a fear of
chaos and uncertainty and what we filter on that.
The above beliefs and feelings can be targets for clearing with
various techs. Feeling your feelings is again an important area. This
is where the overwhelm get's started before the unconscious swing over
to the filters, symptoms, and preoccupation with death. Active
Feeling, Mindfulness, Focusing do well here.
It might be extremely valuable to look at your feelings and beliefs
about death. There's an old cognitive behavioral exercise called
chasing the rat down the rat hole. Here you simply keep asking the
question: What can be worse than this? Example: You think death by a
heart attack would be awful. You might ask well what might be more
awful than that? Dying of a heart attack with more heightened pain and
taking a longer time. And what would be worse than that? Dying of the
heart attack even more slowly and painfully and then discovering they
were going to bury me and damn I'm even more fearful of suffocation.
You can go on and on and bring up beliefs here. Sometimes this
exagerates them and makes them silly to you. Or even more important
the situations seem like something you really could stand. Really
being able to stand those situations is one key to letting go of the
fear of death. You don't even have to know there's an afterlife or
that consciousness is ongoing and eternal. Or maybe some of you have a
sense of safety around the notion that consciousness may eventually be
snuffed out. You can't lose either way. The stuff that really bothers
people are the images of a continuous stuck state of unrelenting pain
and chaos and the meanings they attach to this.
Hey if you were without your body you might not have anything to feel?
And if you were still in agony, don't you think we might just give it
up and desensitize to it after awhile? I'd like to expand a little
more on the subject of death and beliefs. But the someone's here and
I've got to go.
Take care, Steve
Name: Cyndy
Topic: Beyond One and Motivation
Sent: 06.38 - 3/26 2001
Beyond One,
Now that the sillinest of the weekend is past, perhaps we could resume
discussion of your question...
Does anyone have any good argument against the theory that
self-generated human motivation comes down to desire or resistance?
My reply "Everybody always does what they believe to be the right
thing".....was my own concoction, but was a theory I explored
from a statement I heard Harry Palmer make in a talk given in 1987. I
think he was addressing a question about "where do beliefs come
from?" and he gave the example of the belief, "Basically,
everyone does what they feel is the right thing".
Now, it sounded from your post that you were leading us somewhere. Is
the basis for motiviation the feeling that it is the right thing to
do?
Just waiting for the other shoe to fall....
Much love,
Cyndy
Name: Steve Mensing
Topic: Tibet
Sent: 06.10 - 3/26 2001
Hey Mack:
Bad things happen to good people. Or even average people. Or even
challenged people. Personally I'm not much of a believer in some
descriptions of karma.
And group karma seems way beyond me. I see multiple, multiple causes
for any single event. And even then I see us all part of this
interconnected holographic blur. Not everyone was virtuous in Tibet.
I'm sure they had yak poachers.
Here's some important things to think about:
(1) All those Tibetans still living there are not necessarily adepts
or yogins. You can be a Buddhist in name only, yet not practice it to
any great extent.
Just like there are Sunday go to church Christian's who hit it and
quit it after Sunday. Not everyone is virtuous in an entire country.
(2) It may be that the creme de la creme of Tibetan tulkus and
teachers have fled to Nepal, India, France, Northern California,
Boulder Colorado, and New Jack City. If you want to learn Tibetan Yoga
you don't go to Tibet anymore. They're out of there.
(3) The Dali Lama is hardly a poor soul. If someone's putting that out
then they're distorting my perceptions of the book displays at all the
major book sellers. The Dali Lama is generally at the top of the
charts in the bestselling categories of religion, spirituality, and
self-help. He must have over 25 titles out there and a bunch are
selling briskly. I doubt the Pope comes close anymore. The Dali Lama
has access to monies from several foundations including Richard Gere's.
Multi-millions I'm sure. I'm certain he doesn't miss many meals. He
has supporters a plenty and he's frequently attending banquets. I'm
positive he gets apples, oranges, and springwater everytime he appears
on tv talk shows. Hell if he's broke he can come hang at my place and
we'll feed him. No problem.
Everytime I've seen him he looks like his caloric intake is up to
snuff and he's getting into a stretch limo. We once curtsied to
eachother on a midtown Manhatten street several years ago. He looked
like a very fine fellow and owns a fine bass speaking voice.
(4) Think of Oceanside being surrounded by the rest of California and
all the police forces from all of California were called on to take
over Oceanside. How do you think the Oceanside police department would
stand up to the massed police forces of San Diego, LA, San Fran,
Sacremeto, Barstow, and Van Nuys's. I'm leaving Victorville out of
this scrap. I don't want a carnage...Tibet was outgunned and outmanned.
It is a cold and not really well populated country. Remember your war
comics during the 50's? When we were fighting it out in Korea the
Chinese army was always being racistly caste as this infinite yellow
wave. The media talked about the Chinese hordes or yellow massed
armies or yellow waves of peril. In short Red China had a monster
army. Perhaps the largest in all the world. Tibet had a couple of
thousand and some yaks. It was like Myke Tyson pounding Tiny Tim.
(5) Mack the Dali Lama doesn't need those glasses. If he wants to read
his own words he's got more audiotapes out there than you could shake
a bullroarer at.
The Tibetans I've met here in America don't seem to be struggling. I
think it's a bummer that those folks lost their land. That was over 50
years ago. I don't see Tibet being freed anytime soon unless Red China
has a revolution. The Tibetans abroad have made a great adaptation and
have enriched our American culture and spirituality. The loss of that
country may have been a blessing in disguise. Although it hurt a
people and disenfranchised Buddhism from that country, it led to
Tibetan Buddhism being propagated abroad. That's not bad in my book.
Take care, Steve
Name: Mack
Topic: Tibetan Ignorance
Sent: 00.07 - 3/26 2001
OK gang, once again I get to expose my ignorance for your amusement.
I'm really curious about something and if can get an answer that makes
any sense, it's worth it to get embarrassed.
I understand that Tibet may have more spiritually-oriented oriented
(Buddhist) people per capita than possibly any country in the world.
Why are they still occupied by, of all people, Chinese Communists
after 50 years? Why are they the only country in the world in that
position? I don't get it. They are apparently almost slaves under
Chinese rule and have practically no economy, and live hand to mouth.
Is this just a coincidence?
And while I'm on the subject, what's with the Dalai Lama? I've only
read a few of his quotes but he seems like a sage and he wouldn't be
the dalai Lama (I can only assume anyway) unless he were one of the
more enlightened (or should I say spiritually evolved) men on the
planet.
So why is he a penniless exile who is so myopic he reportedly can
scarcely see even with coke-bottle glasses? I know it sounds stupid,
but I'm not trying to be a wise-ass with these questions: what gives
with all this? Aren't these all really terrific people? I know, bad
things happen to good people at least as often as to bad, but the
Tibetan thing seems really strange to me. Is their situation just an
example of "virtue is its' own punishment"? Bad karma? Any
thoughts on this puzzle will be welcome.
All the best
Mack
Name: Ross
Topic: I fear something is wrong with me
Sent: 21.47 - 3/25 2001
I often fear that something is really wrong with me. Let me try to
explain. Sometimes I may have a shortness of breath or numbness in my
fingers and I will think that these feelings mean that I have a deadly
disease. My psychiatrist told me I have something called a somataform
disorder. It took me a week before I looked that word up to find out
exactly what he meant because even thinking about that made me scared.
Often I think the doctors are withholding information about my
condition. It gets that bad. I worry almost daily and hate it. But
most of all I worry about winding up dead. The thought of dying really
frightens me. If I get anything feeling weird with me I automatically
assume that it's something very bad. In the last year I've been
terrified about having Lou Gerhig's Disease, Hodgkinson's and liver
cancer. I am being perfectly serious here. I have little if any peace
of mind. When I get these ideas there's nothing much I can do except
go to my physician who probably is getting sick of seeing me every few
weeks. He grimaces now when he sees me in his waiting room. I would
like to know anything I could about doing something about this because
it is making my life a nightmare. Only two weeks ago I had insomnia
from staying up all night worrying about tingling in my fingers. It
really seems very real to me at the time and very scarey. I hate being
this way. It's messing me up at work and now I'm very worried about
losing my job. My psychiatrist thinks I think the worst. So if you
know anything that might help me out I would be beyond thankful.
Ross
Name: Svengali Jones
Topic: Attraction Tech
Sent: 16.49 - 3/25 2001
This guy has created "tech" for picking up women using NLP.
If you saw Magnolia, supposedly the Tom Cruise character was loosely
based on the guy who developed "Speed Seduction".
http://www.seduction.com
Name: Headgear Biocircuit
Topic: Sorry to be so dumb
Sent: 16.34 - 3/25 2001
So you do need to build the normal biocircuit with the two copper
plates? And then along with that you need two screens that go up and
are placed on the back and the front of the head and held in place
with a piece of elastic? Is it clear what I am asking? I guess what I
am asking is do you build the normal biocircuit and then replace the
two handheld copper tubes with two screens that go on your head?
I am really looking forward to building that orgone accumulating iron
lung. I am going to place that next to my float chamber electro-shock
unit and my acme brand kundalini awakening sarcophagus.
Name: Steve Mensing
Topic: Headgear Biocircuit
Sent: 15.15 - 3/25 2001
Headgear biocircuit:
You'll require two separate screens for the front and rear of your
head. They will be held in place by headband. The screens will replace
your handles in this configuration while your hands will be placed on
your heart region and solar plexus. The advantage will be that you
won't have to hold your hands up for 30 minutes while you lay there
clearing. Head grasps however can be made more comfortable if you lay
on a sofa and prop your elbows up with cushions and the sofa back
rest.
Within the next few days I will supply complete schematics for "Orgone
Accumulating Iron Lung".
This is mankind's best hope for clearing dirty and sick thoughts. The
clearing resolves itself in a creshendo of ever increasing apocalyptic
visions. Three Badgers appear in the East.
Take care, Steve
Name: Steve Mensing
Topic: Difficult: Is this a concept to be cleared
Sent: 14.35 - 3/25 2001
Difficult:
You're onto something. It's a good idea to clear the idea: "it's
difficult". Clearing "difficult" can cut down on
resistance to doing the work.
Even when we blow out the concept or feeling of difficult, there may
be skills and understandings to learn to keep the process sturdy and
working.
We can even install confidence about the process which can help no end
in handling the notion that we can't pull the switch. However
believing we can will still not take care of several items including
poor targeting or handling targets which our intention is really not
aligned with. Being divested of the idea of "difficult"
helps keep us from considering quitting when the process may be
slowed.
Take care, Steve
Name: XXXX
Topic: Gittin' Sum
Sent: 13.19 - 3/25 2001
Dear Needs,
This is how to get some. First make a list of the things that interest
you most. It's ok to put sex at the top of the list, but you're really
looking for something else that interests you.
The world is filled with SIGs (special interest groups) so take your
top 3 interests and use the internet to locate SIGs in your area.
Attend a SIG meeting or lunch with SIG members or form your own SIG
group and you'll certainly find your preferred sex mate among the
SIGs. Sex is a much better "bonus" interest than the primary
interest. More like dessert than the main course. Then if you get shot
down, at least you got to talk with someone who was interesting.
Name: Yogi
Topic: I wanna beli-e-e-ve!
Sent: 13.17 - 3/25 2001
Here's my crutches!! Lord, take them away from me!!!
Ooops... (Crack! CRUNCH! SPlat!!!)
Hey, can someone help me get up here?
OK, OK,
Want to believe: There are a few approaches to getting you going. One
is to work with someone who is skilled with the Emoclear techniques
and can assist you.
One is to take Steve's suggestion and email him.
Another thing that occurs to me is that you might be trying to clear
in a feelings-based mode, but you have some blocks on your ability to
feel. For this, back off and work with the energy-based processes, and
along with these work with the Active Feeling tech and the Grok
Drills.
Understand that resistance to feeling, emptiness, non-feeling,
boredom, are all actually feelings themselves. It is not that
non-feeling is simply what's there: non-feeling is a creation and has
to be put there by a person. Irritation, frustration are also
feelings, as is annoyance. Thoughts like "I'm not getting
this," "Everyone else can do this stuff, but not me,"
and the similar are actually thought creations.
The expectations can be a killer. We read about non-dual states here
and all kinds of stuff. Then we sit to practice a clearing technique
and the mind jumps right in:"Where's the non-dual? Where's the
lucid dreams? Where's the meditative states? How come this isn't
happening? What's wrong with me? etc, etc..."
Practice techniques that develop patience. Breath into the belly
slowly to help calm the mind. This not the circular breathing from the
upper chest cavity described to bring up feelings. You already have
lots of stuff up, that's not the problem. The problem is that you are
over-identified with your stuff and can't separate yourself out from
your thoughts. Therefore, slow, deep circular breathing will help
spread the thoughts out a bit. Whenever you notice a space between any
two thoughts, put all your attention right into that space.
In other words, shift the focus. Like when looking at a picture, put
your attention on the space outside the picture, around it's frame.
And in your mind, shift your focus from your thoughts, and put your
focus on the space between the thoughts.
When you have quieted the mind some (you don't have to be a
perfectionist here, we're just talking a relatively quiet mind, not
oceanic silence), then you can start with the Active Feelings tech,
and just do a little bit at the time. Read the whole exercise, but
then just take one of the sections after the asterisks at a time and
work with it. Anytime your mind starts racing again, go back to the
slow belly breathing and calm it again.
There's a trick to reining in the racehorse thoughts here, but with
practice, you will become able to create a calm space relatively
quickly.
Once the mind is quieter, and you have some of your powers of
attention and concentration back, then you can run a tech. Run one
tech, or even one part of one tech at a time. Slow. Easy. Space.
Quiet. These are a few things you need to get on familiar terms with.
I think when you have achieved a calmer mind, you will find your
attention is more under your control, and you will get better results
with the techs. And as you restore your awareness that you can feel,
things will really start progressing satisfactorily.
-Yogi
Name: Difficult?
Sent: 12.08 - 3/25 2001
Hey Steve,
You tell "I want to believe" that clearing is difficult.
Isn't this a concept that we could clear in order to make it easy? Or
maybe it doesn't work that way.
Name: Yogi
Topic: Sex
Sent: 11.07 - 3/25 2001
Hey sex freaks,
I am definitely a prude by upbringing. My folks never mentioned sex
around me. I was blown away one night when I walked in on them at age
7 or 8 because a bad dream had scared me, and there they were in
missionary position. So my mom tried to explain to me that it was
normal what they were doing. But the way they reacted when I walked in
wasn't normal: they untangled at lightning speed and there was a real
sense of embarrassment in the air.
I started to unfold normally around age 12 and kissing the girls and
petting. But then I went to a new England prep school for oine year
that was mostly boys. Since I wasn't into same sex sex, I just didn't
have any. I spent the rest of my entire teenage years sexually alone,
feeling quite guilty masturbating, and generally unhappy with the lot.
I was a partier and all my frieds were experimenting sexually too, but
somehow I got left out of all that.
Finally, at age 20 in my freshman year of college, I met a nice young
lady through music and dancing, and she also liked one of my favorite
things: LSD. So at age 20 I finally lost my virginity while tripping.
It was wuite an initiation. After that sex combined with LSD was my
preferred way to go for awhile. Of course, I was reading books about
tantra and stuff at the time too.
Then, somewhat later, an interest in Osho and his books and his people
started up. The way Osho speaks about Tantra is absolutely
mind-blowing. Tantra groups among the sannyasins became quite popular,
and they would explore sex energy all the way from breathing
techniques, to psychological conditioning around sex, to positions,
and doing it in groups, or alone. They even explored the tantric
aspects of masturbation. Many of the female sannyasins were making
money in the sex trade, either by dancing, peepshows, or outright
prostitution. The theme of the day was to work out your sex trip.
Osho acquired the moniker of the Sex Guru in India and around the
world. Lots of myths about what the sannyasins were doing were
propogated. This was mostly in the so-called Poona I years, 1975 to
1980. The whole focus on the Ranch was much different, and not so much
emphasis was put on sex there.
Sex was always explored through a spiritual perspective. The point was
to move through sex to see if it opened dooorsways to meditation. I
had some really profound experinces with bringing the energy to a
peak, and then turning it all inward instead of letting it go. The
states of silence and expansion are awesome.
One of the greatest understandings Osho brought was that the sexual
experience can have many different forms of expression. He talked
about "valley orgasms" which were very relaxed and expanded
states, and how they differed with rushing through the peak-style
orgasms.
Sex jokes were a regular part of his discourses, as he realized that
it would help us loosen up around the whole subject.
Of all the groups of people I have moved with concerning
clearing/growth/spirituality the sannyasins were far and away the most
realistic, and usually the most experienced, about sex. Osho taught
that sex energy was life energy, it should be embraced and celebrated,
and that sex energy was the raw material of spiritual enlightenment.
He said that the energy of sex is connected with the second chakra,
and that the heart center could not open up until the sex center was
open. He taught that sex was a necessary step towards spiritual
enlightenment, and that growth in the spiritual sense would be stopped
if sex was repressed.
He often said that just as the lotus flower has its roots in the mud,
the energy of spiritual enlightenment has its roots in sex energy.
To my knowledge, he was the only major world spiritual figure that
talked so directly and candidly about sex and its relationship to
spirituality. He was controversial for it. One of his early and most
famous series of discourses is called "From Sex to
Superconsciousness". He gave these talks when some well to do
disciples asked him to speak on the subject of "spiritual
love". He lost almost two thirds of his diciples after these
talks, who at that time were mostly Indians. They simply could not
accept what he was saying. When he was asked why he spoke about sex
when he was given the topic of spiritual love, he said that
understanding love was impossible without first understanding sex.
To me, it is no wonder that 90% of couples problems are related to
sex. They want to love, but they have not understood sex. The seed and
the mud is there first, and the flower blooms only after a period of
growing through the mud.
Most people put the cart before the horse, and want this great love
relationship, but they are clueless about their own sexual energy. So
no wonder!
Related to this is the way that society, and in particular religion,
has supressed sexuality down thourh the ages, because when you control
someone's sex energy, you can easily manipulate them. But this is
another topic which could be a long discussion in itself.
Basically, the understanding is that it is not your fault for being
sexually screwed up: society has screwed you up on sex since your were
in the womb. But it is one's own responsibility to work with one's own
sex energy, discover the truth about it, experiemnet with it, and open
it up, if you want to progress to the higher experiences of
consciousness.
If you have an understanding of your own sexual energy, you will be
more relaxed and confident in a relationship. You will attract a
clearer kind of mate.
Sex becomes more easy and natural.
Tantric practices can be good. I know some couples who have made a
strict rule: keep the daily problems out of the bedroom. They even
make a separate little room for sex only, and make it real nice with
incense, lighting, and music, like a sacred place. When lovemaking,
leave the dirty laundry outside the bedroom door, and put all your
attention on being as appreciative, loving, and exciting to your
partner as possible. It seems like it works for them, anyway.
Hail to the Sex Guru!
-Yogi
Topic: Headgear Biocrcuit 2
Sent: 09.45 - 3/25 2001
I am a little confused about the Headgear Biocircuit. Is it just two
copper screens connected together with speaker wire and put on your
head with an elastic band or do you need to have the two copper sheets
under your neck and lower back and have these connected to two copper
screens that you attach to your head, front and back? Please help!
Name: Headgear Biocircuit
Sent: 09.30 - 3/25 2001
Hey y'all....I've been thinking about building one of those headgear
biocircuits Steve mentioned at one point...what have been your
experiences with that....does it work as well as the headholds?
Name: Steve Mensing
Topic: I