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Name: Eternal Dog

Sent: 1:29 AM - 10/1 2000

Additional advice for using PMs:

1. Do the Source List BEFORE doing PMs.If you can experience yourself as source, totally discreating PMs will be so much easier.

2. Do the Excersise "It s ok to feel this way" too.

3.When you sit down to do your PM notice the difference between an overal appreciative, curious and interested attitude and a serious attitude.Gain some gentle appreciation before diving into the PM.

4.Instead of asking "Where does it seem come from?" you might want to try out this Variation: Command "Where is it from"...then let your attention drift wherever it wants to take you...sometimes just lying there waiting will eventually do the job.

5.Taking your Persistent Mass to sleep with you can also be effective.After asking "Where is it from?" you let yourself drift to sleep...sometimes dreams or nightmares will arise...experience them fully.

6.Enjoy

Sent: 6:56 AM - 10/1 2000

Ever feel totally overwhelmed when doing a Source List? Like there is way too much, too many secondaries, you'll never get through them all? And that just adds yet another one!

Sent: 8:08 AM - 10/1 2000

Tinno: Our group also paired off into duos. We asked eachother the Grok Drill questions and experienced them. Group members experienced a sense of nonseperateness and group mind also. Not only did people experience being fused with their partners, we experienced being fused with the rooms in which we performed the exercise. People were definately on the same wavelength after even the third drill. This was a very peculiar experience for many except those who were vets of group Holotropic Breathworks. They reported similar group mind experiences, but they did not believe it was as intense as the Emoclear group mind. Partners appeared to know eachother's thoughts and feelings. And when we got together as a group, we reported

this going on in the large group as well. And like you reported in your group, people were just clearing on anything that opened up after awhile.

Derek

Sent: 8:57 AM - 10/1 2000

Yes, T.M.

The greater the prize when you actually get through them!

When someone can t do Persistent Mass I let the student do Source List before.When someone can t do Source List I let the student do Feel-Its before.If someone can t do Feel-Its...etc.etc.....get the picture? It s a step by step process.When just doing it from scratch, out of the everyday blue,it can get rough.But, man, does it make you feeeel reeeeeaaaaal:-).

Sent: 9:00 AM - 10/1 2000

I ve been looking through the Pilot Materials on the Freezone Page, and I d like to know your opnions and experiences on the Processes contained in the "Handbook for Self-Enlightment".Some of the things look pretty pretty to me.Has anyone here ever done the COMPLETE Manual?

Eternal Dog

TM sez:

"Ever feel totally overwhelmed when doing a Source List? Like there is way too much, too many secondaries, you'll never get through them all? And that just adds yet another one!"

Yeah, but ;-) ...by now you only have two in need of attention: (1. The thought that there are too many, etc. and you'll never get through them. (2. Whatever primary it was that brought up that thought.

At this point, I would have the student note both of them (maybe write them down), and then take a break to relax, and maybe do some Feel-It's before working on one of them again. You don't need a cleaver to peel an onion.

Best, Eldon

Sent: 2:55 PM - 10/1 2000

Eternal Dog, The Pilot's Self-Clearing book is really solid old school tech. I've gone through it twice in over a 4 month period. There's some outstanding tech there. Steve clued me in about it awhile back. They have drills in there that will show you how to exteriorize. There's a practical viewing section. It's old school tech written up without the jargon. It moves at a gradient. It's for "home schoolers" and it's fun to do. It's free and so are a lot of other Scientolo type materials. I like the Pilot's Self-Clearing book the best because of its readability and doability. The exercises really peel back your awareness. There was one where you go around the room doing an exercise. It really opens up your awareness about how the room used to be. That and exteriorization were some of my favorites. It's best to do that book chapter by chapter and section by section. I understand a lot of this stuff was actually early scientolo, but got yanked because people were going clear to fast. The Pilot's a pretty decent sort friends tell me.

John Gastly

Sent: 3:40 PM - 10/1 2000

Thanks John:-)

Sent: 3:57 PM - 10/1 2000

The Sedona Method has a new completed updated webpage

http://www.sedonamethod.com/page1.html

Check it out. You still can't beat it for simplicity. I understand they even have a bulletin board- though I have yet to be able to access it.

You can always do a "could I let this go?" on your problem (feelings or wants). If it works, great. If not (at least the problem area has been identified), you can go on to Emoclear- the industrial strength clearing method.

Sent: 4:22 PM - 10/1 2000

Has anyone ever heard of the Medune Mixture for inducing and NDE? If so, can you explain what it is? Thanks.

Sent: 4:22 PM - 10/1 2000

http://www.rokpa.org/akongbio.htm

Sent: 6:15 PM - 10/1 2000

What is FZA? Where is their site?

Sent: 7:40 PM - 10/1 2000

Dale:

FZA is at www.Fza.org. Their books are under research.

Lyle Talbot

Sent: 11:18 PM - 10/1 2000

TM,

Back off, relax when needed. You can get into a trance by repeatedly pounding on a secondary, and that is not what the exercise is for. If source list gets heavy or serious, find humorous ways to exaggerate the secondaries. Exaggeration does not mean piling more seriousness on top of an already existing resistance. Comedians are great role models for exaggeration - think Eddie Murphy, or Robin Williams. These guys can take a simple personality trait or a single repeated idea, and build it to the point of being hilarious. That's the art of Source Listing. It's not a heavy exercise. The Avatar materials explicitly state to lighten up and laugh a lot when doing the exercise. -Y

(The following is an archive of the Feel Its discussion from the NAP page.)

re: Feel-it visitor 7:42 am tuesday september 19, 2000

Eldon, thanks for that answer. You seem to have the gift of being able to answer a question at the level the person asking is at. That's a very powerful gift. Perhaps you can answer just a couple of other questions for me? The first is, how important do you feel resurfacing is to the avatar course? And secondly, how important is the source and creation lists? If they are important, how do you do the exaggeration thing? It seems that what i think of exaggerating is somewhat different than avatars definition. Thanks Eldon.

re: Feel-it Yogi 7:49 am tuesday september 19, 2000 Visitor,

The "small child" viewpoint Eldon mentions is very useful. I once

asked a small child to look at a few things and how they felt to

him. I gave no explanation of technique, no theory, nothing.

Just "Look at that, how does it feel?" The child started

describing textures and physical sensations to me. He was

receiving sense experiences from putting his attention on an

object. That's a feel-it. It's natural, its what kids do before

their heads get stuffed with labels from our cultural

conditioning. Hope this helps,

Yogi

re: Feel-it Jenna Burweiser 10:00 am tuesday september 19, 2000 Everyone:

I wrote down Teko's initial breakdown of the feel-it out and then

added on key pointers from the rest of you. This feel-it is not

very easy work to get at all. In fact it's extremely difficult.

I read where other posters find the feel-it difficult. It's good

to have all these knowledgable people around explaining the feel-

it. I've done two feel-it and it's interesting. I've never

been a brick before! Am I correct in assuming that somehow this

is supposed to help you feel things so you can be more into the

discreation mode? I've always been a good feeler and visualizer.

Hey are we going to learn the whole course here by people

explaining it? So far it feels with all you guys explaining that

I am taking a course. Is this legal? Can people explain Avatar?

I thought it was some secret course. I don't mean to rain on

anyone's parade, but it seems as if you are delivering these

secret materials. Am I wrong? Maybe you are doing it legally?

Love, Jenna Burweiser

re: Feel-it Eldon Braun 10:28 am tuesday september 19, 2000 Jenna,

We are talking about it. Don't you think that's legal?

As for your question, the feel-it and label-it exercises are

supposed to open the doors of perception, or put you in control of

your own mental "filters" by consciously using them.

Look at your computer, and try to get a pure sense of what it is.

Then get the idea that it's a gift from God, and a wonderfully

benign machine. Then decide to think it's the work of the devil

that's going to crash on you at the worse part of the time because

it's inhabited by an evil spirit. Then label it "just as it is,"

meaning that you see it without stuffing thoughts and opinions on

your perception.

That is what you do with thought forms all the time, and yes, this

is practice for discreating them on the Avatar Course.

Best, Eldon

re: Feel-it William Tekada 3:45 pm tuesday september 19, 2000 For Everyone wanting to improve their feel-its and label-its

work,Steve emailed me awile ago about utilizing simple energy

work to help visualizing. This would apply to feel-its.

Always allow your visualizations to happen and take the two

fingers next to your thumb and place them on the area half way

down from the split between your ring and pinkey finger. This is

the gamut spot used in TFT and EFT. Just keep those fingers

there for thirty slow in inhales and exhales. This area is about

halfway down the top of your hand. This tends to intesify

visualization and would be very useful before becoming a tree or

a box. Enjoy boxhood!

William Tekada

Feel it on belief Eldon? visitor 2:29 am wednesday september 20, 2000

How do you feel a belief? I am finally able to do a feel it on an inanimate object and i have also done one on an animal but i'm not sure i understand how to on an abstract thing like a belief?

re: Feel it on belief Eldon? Eldon Braun 2:33 am wednesday september 20, 2000 Visitor,

We will get to that later when you are able to easily feel people

and pick up their vibes with no effort. In the meantime, I suggest

that you go back to inanimate objects and do a few of those, and

work your way up through plants and animals. Just sort of follow

the Darwin path on this one.

Best, Eldon

re: Feel it on belief Eldon? Teko 9:23 am wednesday september 20, 2000 How do you feel a belief?

Remember this:

Steve brought this to my attention. Feelings are made up of

awareness. They exist in our awareness. They are the energy of

awareness. Beliefs are made up of awareness. Beliefs exist in

our awareness. They are the energy of our awareness.

All sensations. All feelings. All Beliefs. They are all apart

of the label awareness. There is absolutely no difference between

a belief and a feeling. Only a belief made of awareness

separates them. A believed description. The sky. the moon. hot

and cold. All awareness.

Don't even bother to call it awareness or energy. BAAAAM!

CRAAACK! You'll get it.

Allow your awareness to feel a belief.

Do Mensing's koan wpp practice. You'll never look at these

piddling notions the same way. Does a belief exist in a feeling

or does a feeling exist in a belief.

Take the cap off the frigging mind--it's just a silly projection.

There is no mind. This is notek and that sonofagun Mensing hid

that Notek square in the middle of the that practice. I found

out the other evening. There is no mind. There are no beliefs.

There are no feelings. And there is not even is. There is

nothing to create. You run it over and over until the loop

snaps.

Right now you are reading this off a computer? Right? Wrong!

I'm not joking.

Come to know that nothing separates a belief from a feeling.

They are just other viewpoints of the same stuff. You'll get it.

Just allow it to happen.

Teko

re: Feel it on belief Eldon? Teko 9:35 am wednesday september 20, 2000 Added to my previous comments on feeling beliefs:

We note beliefs and feelings as separate. They are only

separated by where our awareness is looking. The rabbit steps

out of his hole and looks around for a carrot. He plucks one.

He believes it would feel good to eat. He feels the belief that

it would be good to eat. Where was the rabbit giving his

awareness?

If I'm not clear pull Steve into this. He doesn't know about

Avatar, but he could assist you in feeling a belief. Be prepared

however for him asking you a bunch of questions so he knows how

your individual processing works.

Teko

re: Feel it on belief Eldon? Eldon Braun 2:53 pm thursday september 21, 2000 Teko,

Absolutely right. But I do note a frequent difference between the

way people perceive feelings and beliefs. A feeling is more like

pure sensation. A belief, or an opinion, is usually a verbalized

feeling. It has some conceptual stuff embedded within it that makes

you think about it. So you may find yourself trying to articulate

it into words or some other form of expression. That is a remote

way to get the essence of feelings.

Music and many other art forms are more universal than words. They

transcend the language barrier.

Best, Eldon

Feel it on belief Eldon? Fred Baldwin 3:56 am wednesday september 20, 2000

I took avatar in 95 and i have to admit that although i did pretty good with the feel it technique on inanimate and animate objects i also had a problem grasping the feel it on thoughts and beliefs. Can you shed any light on this Eldon?

re: Feel it on belief Eldon? Eldon Braun 9:57 am thursday september 21, 2000

Gosh, I dunno if I can shed any light on doing feel-it's on beliefs or not, because it always came easy to me. For one thing, if you really do feel-its on a person, you are probably going to sense some of their beliefs. Maybe telepathically, or maybe just from their overall demeanor. It doesn't matter anyway. All you are doing is trying to get a sense of how it feels to be someone else, or to hold various beliefs or feelings. You might try imagining a nice little thought form hovering somewhere nearby that telepathically transmits a belief you already have. It's a transmitter that beams that belief into the skull of anyone who comes near...and zap! They think your boss is a schmuck. Or whatever you want to use. So this little sucker just intensifies and confirms a belief you already have. Now try changing the message a little. The boss is sometimes a schmuck, and then with extenuating circumstances. Or whatever. Then try shifting it again. The boss is nice at heart, but frazzled. And so forth. All you are trying to do here is get a feeling for adopting various thoughts, opinions and beliefs. Again, it's play- acting, and you shouldn't take it too seriously. Or what if you were an actor in a play? Except that each night you switch characters, alternating between two archenemies. Conflicting opinions are expressed on this board. Try grokking how it feels to be on both sides of the controversy. Switch back and forth several times. Don't rationalize, just do it. Invent some routines that get you into it and use your imagination. Then I think you will be able to slide into the "pure" abstract form of the exercise. That's the best advice I can think of on the spur of the moment. I believe that is a good excuse. Best, Eldon

Mental feel its Xmaster 8:19 am wednesday september 20, 2000 The best way to get the mental edges of something is an old

meditation trick. You stare at something, a candle flame,

picture, ...anything, until you can close your eyes and see it in

your mind. In your mind, picture it against blackness--separate

it from it's physical surroundings. Then just outline the picture

at the edges of the blackness and you've got a perfect fee

The Tibetan Feel-It Teko the Tibetan 4:54 pm thursday september 21, 2000

Friends and secret Tibetans: Here the ancient Tibetan Feel-it as articulated by Tarthang Tulku Rinpoche in Hidden Mind of Freedom. 1) Relax and choose an object. Bird. Rock. Fellow Human. Idea. Feeling. Music box anything you want! 2)Keeping your eyes open, visualize an object several feet before you or at eye leve. 3) Allow yourself without strain or force to view the image distinctly. If the image is unclear or it fades in and out, pay attention to the feeling created by the image, rather than the form. 4)Permit your unconscious to have the sense of the object's presence as intense as possible. Know truly that the object is there. You are feeling it. 5) As you directly touch or feel this knowing feeling, your whole body grows into a full state of relaxation. There is no longer an impression of a specific expance. You are completely surroundeed by awareness. In this feeling state you are the object. Feeling the object in this way is the start of viewing it clearly and well defined. Be a brick. Be a cloud. Be a belief. Be a human. Eventually the image will emerge as clear and vibrant. Suggest you use Mensing's add on of slow left nostril breathing and gamut spot tapping. The Tarthang Tulku original Feel-it gives great results. Teko

re: The Tibetan Feel-It John Gastly 5:03 pm thursday september 21, 2000 Great job Teko. You can't beat the original. Steve's left nasal

breathing and gamut spot tapping allows you to fully be this

object. Thank you land of icy chasms and crags. Send your money

to the Richard Gere foundation or hand it over to the Dalai Lama

when he goes tooling by in his dark blue limo. Free Tibet from

Star's Edge! Just goofing!

Chrantul Volchen!

John Gastly

Feel-it xmaster 2:54 pm saturday september 23, 2000

I heard about this board recently and decided to check it out. Mensing's tech is great and the explanations are way beyond the level most masters go to in explaining the avatar processes. This is only one of the reasons i left. I have read the posts on feel-its and label-its and would like to add a few comments. Here is how i see a feel-it: Feel-its are designed to bring a person back into a FEELING awareness. Most of us tend to spend most of our time labeling, analyzing and/or judging things instead of just feeling them. For example, say I am looking at a folding chair that has been left outside to the elements. To FEEL something is to experience it on a physical level. BUT... my first reaction on looking at that chair, depending on my own beliefs with regard to things, may go something like this: Oh, look at that folding chair. Someone left it out and now it is all rusted and ruined. *I* certainly wouldn't want to sit in that chair, it would get rust all over my clothes and probably flake paint onto them and maybe even snag the fabric. That chair looks like it wouldn't support my weight anyway. I wonder who left it outside? And how UGLY - it's just a piece of junk now, they should get rid of it. Now is ANY of that about FEELING that chair? For that matter, the simple action of labeling it "chair" keeps us from FEELING it. To FEEL something is to experience it. To experience its texture, its mass, its shape without any labeling or analysis. If you look back at the previous paragraph, it is ALL about analysis, judgement, and labeling. I will try to give you a sense of it. Select an object - obviously, pick something out. Define it - "see" where its edges are, texture, weight, mass, density etc... Identify with and experience it... FEEL it - without analysis, labeling, or judgement. (Just Release all of those things - don't go in with an attitude of "I'm NOT going to judge or label this", because then where is all of your attention? On judging and labeling, of course!) Imagine running your fingers lightly across a piece of rough sandpaper with your eyes closed. You might experience it for just a moment, but more than likely you will then immediately go, "okay - this is rough, gritty, feels like sand"... At that instant, you have stopped feeling and started labeling - essentially gone from the physical experience into thinking. Feel free to ask if you have any questions. Donna B.

re: Feel-it Richard Head 3:46 pm sunday september 24, 2000

Hello Donna The subject of feel its has been well aired below and I'm sure that what you have said meets the general approach to feel its, no judgements, no associations and no labels. In other words you have to be an avatar to start with. But I'm not so sure when it comes to labelling things. When you look at things you know what they are, you dont say the words, chair phone or whatever. Therefore knowing is a form of labelling. It then follows, in order to do feel its you have to not know what you are looking at. This ofcourse is silly and graduates know full well what they have been doing feel its on. Again when you come to the labelling excercise you know what the thing you're looking at is and putting a word on it should make no difference at all. Yet students will say "Oh!I cant feel it now". Well all I can say is that thier words must be pretty powerful, I wish mine were. It all seems a bit daft. I should say that I didn't get on with the avatar excercises and did not complete. I thought the course was a bit of a joke and flouted intelligence

Sent: 8:35 AM - 10/2 2000

This Forum has the feeling of an old ancient scroll containing many secrets. There is much to behold here. I am impressed. I could scan through for hours. There are morsels of magnificence here.

It has the look and feel of something great once lost, then regained again. Perhaps what lies here are the keys to the human mind. NO, better yet, the human Spirit.

Sent: 1:29 PM - 10/2 2000

Alexander:

This scroll and the endless chain of scrolls it's connected to lead straight away to the divine spirit. The Steve tech up top and the interesting techs below lead straight away to a domain that's mostly outside our general awareness.

Few people can begin to imagine what's in store for them when they learn and fully experience a tech. I urge everyone here to experiment and learn firsthand about what's inside them and how powerful and rapid change are available. No one believes these techs until after they've done them. 20 years ago if someone told me about Emoclear, Core Transformation, or Avatar I would have thought they were stark raving nuts. There's still a lot of persons out there who have no conception of a major emotional problem being blown out permanently within ten minutes or less.

Or that your doubts and blocks can be altered into states of utter resourcefulness.

Steve if you are reading this could you soon share some of your creation technologies outside of the transformational

resources that are left behind from clearing in the Emoclear style. I know you developed in the mid nineties a creation method drawing on the 5 senses, NLP submodalities,

Left nasal dominance breathing, a specific pattern of tapping and temporal tapping, and energetically snuffing out blocks and doubts. The end result is a gut level creation rooted in a holographic and compeling dreamstate that makes it feel as if you had already accomplished what you merely created. I read that you will likely have Barry post some short version clearing methods. But I hope after that you spill some of your over the top creation methods.

Lyle Talbot

Sent: 1:52 PM - 10/2 2000

Hey Lyle:

I have an outline of Steve's "Dreamstate Creation" tech.

It sounds like the process you're talking about. I've worked with it and the end result is you've installed an ultra vivid dream of something you want. It's got odd tapping sequences, Left nasal dominance, Ericksonian style questions that get it installed in your unconscious. It's complex, but it's easy to follow. It's starts out with vivid goal creation and then winds up getting put together in a dream in your unconscious. Depending how you tweek up the submodalities rundown, that dreamstate creation can be very powerful and compeling. Afterwards you're not only confident, it feels like you've already accomplished it a bunch of times before. Secondaries are blown out by any of his clearing tech. The end result is a strong emotional sense that you can do something. Not only do something, you flat out own it! Steve I hope you drop this one on the page soon.

William Tekada

Sent: 3:27 PM - 10/2 2000

Everyone:

Steve has given me the go ahead to post some brief Emoclear clearing processes and his Dreamstate Creation Process. This will be done sometime before next Monday.

In the intrim I'm going to post another of his highly unusual called the "Multi-Solutions Generator". This process is based on the work of Milton Erickson and Solutions-Oriented Therapy. Steve has creatively put together a six session problem solving process that when combined with any of his transformational clearing tech can send a problem realing. This tech forces our minds to look at challenges in a completely unique way. This can be used on relationships, internet warfare, challenges with kids, anything you might deem a problem. The solutions-oriented approach is welded to Ericksonian language structures and gets your unconscious to do the work and provide answers that fit your particular style of doing things. I used this on a conflict I was having with a girlfriend and it brought us much closer together and resolved the conflict.

I used it on a challenge with one of my profs in graduate school and it worked like a champ. Combined with Clearing tech the Multi-Solutions Generator is an extremely powerful problem solver. Steve Mensing demonstrates here that he is quite versitile in the kinds of tech he can produce. Emoclear isn't the only stuff he does.

Anyway I'm going to post it now.

Barry Friedberg

Sent: 4:13 PM - 10/2 2000

This material was copyrighted by Steve Mensing back in 1991.

Its from a chapter in the "Life Skills Self-Helpapedia"

WHAT IS THE MULTI-SOLUTIONS GENERATOR?

The Multi-Solutions Generator (MSG) is questions aimed at helping us reach behavioral and emotional change goals as rapidly and as comfortably as possible. Based on Ericksonian and Solutions-Oriented approaches, the MSG is geared to create rapid solutions that hold up over time. These solutions will come from us and will evolve from a change in perspective or from a specific action or both.

In creating solutions the MSG focuses on what is possible and alterable, rather than on the impossible and unalterable. Behavior is the primary target for change. During the solutions-generating process the MSG zeroes in on the problem-free times or the exceptions to our difficulties. Example: the time we are not acting addictively or are being angry. Our attention is drawn to what specifically is different about these problem-free times and what can be done to produce more of the same.

To speed our solutions we better choose goals and make them into clear, measurable, and specific outcome images. These goals will be concrete and observable. In making our goals clear, measurable, and specific, we make our goals achievable. (Look for Dreamstate Creation Process upcoming)

We might ask: "What specifically do we want to change?"

MSG goals focus on:

*What humanly can be done

*The present & future

*Concrete & observable behavior change

*Allowances for our human fallibility

*Us

*Changes in viewpoint & action which create desirable behavior

MSG utilizes our own individual styles of performance. The focus here is on solutions rather than problems. The MSG recognizes we possess all the abilities and strengths required to remake perspectives and to take solutions generating action. We take responsibility for our attitudes, behaviors, and feelings.

Present and future oriented, the MSG avoids talk of the past. Viewpoints, formed from a past perspective, tend to give strong life and power to present challenges. With the MSG, explanations and history are regarded as creations after the fact. Numerous explanations may fit the facts well and may hold equal truth, yet searching them out slows the solutions process and saddles it with excess baggage. Seemingly no one correct way of verbally constructing realities exists. The MSG avoids all beliefs not worthwhile to the desired change.

The MSG focuses on observable physical actions. If problems are mentioned, they are described in the past tense. Solutions are represented in the present and future.

The MSG demonstrates we do not need to know a difficulty's cause inorder to find its solution. Insight is an unrequired factor in the change process. No theory or hypothesis in needed for challenge resolution.

People are different from moment to moment and from day to day. No one is a continuous label. No one acts the same way constantly. No one feels the same way all the time. The MSG will point out an individual's differing behaviors and feelings during the course of a day.

Flexible and open-ended, the MSG utilizes whatever a person brings to the question and answer session. This form of self-counseling evokes an individual's resources, solutions, strengths and brings them to attack the problem situation.

The MSG employs language that makes a future solution appear probable and realistic. This probability and realism makes the solution more likely to occur because the approach nurtures a positive self-fulfilling prophecy.

In overcoming problems, the MSG either erases the problem completely or makes the problem appear manageable by reducing its strength and size. Frequently difficulties are undercut by demonstrating they only occur at certain times or in changeable situations. Often problematic behavior is relabeled, has its direction altered, or is linked to an extremely difficult task to create resistance to further performance.

Difficulties are generally found in:

*Frequency of certain happenings

*A situations labels and meanings

* A sequence of actions

*The direct or indirect involvement of certain people.

*Specific physical location

*Factors in the environment (crime, economics, employment etc.)

* The degree the problem is outside an individual's control

*Focus of blame

*Extremely negative predictions

*Emotions

*Physiological states

Difficulties are often kept alive by either seeing no solution or believing the only alternative is another problem. The MSG avoids the trap of repeating ineffective solutions.

The MSG getsw us to look at how reality might appear without a particular problem. Here small changes are seen to effect the larger picture.

The MSG focuses us on altering our behavior in problematic situations and on trading fixed negative labels for everyday positive descriptions. The main tools of the MSG are questions, clarifications, activity assignments, and relabeling. If you need to clean up emotions, beliefs, and physical sensations after employing the MSG, use any clearing tech.

GO TO SESSION 1 MSG

Thanks to Steve Mensing, Barry Friedberg

Sent: 4:51 PM - 10/2 2000

The Multi-Solutions Generator: Session 1

Are you seeking a solution? These questions will assist you in rapidly formulating a clear direction for your solution. Jot down your answers so you can review them or clarify them further.

1) Why are you using the MSG?

(2) Are there clues leading you to believe a challenge actually exists?

3) Is there something you desire more of? If so, specify what it is. A feeling? A behavior? Something tangible? Something you or another person are doing? Something happening in your environment? Something else?

4)Is there something you want to maintain? If so, specify what it is. A feeling? A behavior? Something tangible? From you? From someone else? From the environment? From a group?

5) Is there something you want less of? If so, specify what it is. A feeling? A behavior? Something tangible? From you? From someone else? From the environment? From a group?

6) After reviewing the 5 previous questions jot down what the problem was. Be clear and specific in jotting down the details to describe what the problem was. Example: Jim watches watches the Extreme Games each Sunday and ignores me.

7) What positive new label will you give this challenge? (Example a panic attack was relabeled and energy festival; a failure was relabeled a valuable learning experience)

8) What specifically took place during the (Your new label).

Then what happened? And then what happened?

9)Who was present during the (New label). What did each person say or do? Then what happened? And then what happened?

10) Where did the (new label) most frequently occur?

11) Was there a particular time of day, month, or year when the (new label) was most likely to happen?

12) How was this (new label) a challenge for you?

13) If a close friend, relative, or boss was present now, what would he or she say about the way you went about solving this (new label)?

14) You just snapped your fingers and blinked. Suddenly a change occurred and your (new label) was solved. How would you know the (new label) was solved? What would be different?

15) When you have a solution, what would you be doing? How would you feel? What would you be saying to others?

16) Right after you found a solution, what would life be like? What would you see? Hear? Feel? Smell? Taste?

17) Immediately after the solution arrives, what challenge would you overcome next? Or would you rather relax and take it easy for awhile?

18)Describe your (new label) free times.

19)What happens when you don't experience your (new label)?

20)What is different about the times you are getting what you want?

21)What are you and others, involved in the (new label) doing differently during the (new label) free times?

22) In describing the (new label) free times,on what do you focus?

23)In describing the (new label) free times, what do you ignore?

24) What is different about those times when the (new label) is manageable?

25) When do these (new label) free times happen?

26) Would you rather have a complete solution today, tomorrow, in a week, or in a few weeks?

27) (If the (new label) is not yet solved) Before the next session would you rather observe all the (new Label) free times and make a note of your observations or would you rather do something differently during the time when the (new label) most often occurs?

GO TO MSG SESSION 2

Sent: 5:30 PM - 10/2 2000

MULTI-SOLUTIONS GENERATOR: SESSION 2

The following questions will continue the solutions process if it is still required. Write down your answers so you can review them and see how your solution is working. Feel free to clear any feelings, beliefs, or physical sensations with clearing tech.

1) Frequently between the first session and this session the reader will notice something different. Generally the MSG sessions are spaced a few days apart to provide time for observation. What are you noticing about your situation?

2) If you noticed changes in your situation, would you desire those changes to continue happening?

3) When your (new label) is solved, what will be different?

Who will be the first person to notice you have a solution?

4)When a person comments about the solution, what willyou say?

4) Did your situation involve a piece of behavior? What would change that piece of behavior?

5) What was your new positive label for your situation? What might an outsider call your situation? Can you create a positive new label for the outsider's name for the challenge?

6) What will you call your situation 2 years after you've solved it?

7)Did your (new label)'s frequency of occurence make it a challenge? How can you best increase or decrease the frequency?

8)Where did the (new label) happen? Could you change the (new label's) location? Where would the (new label) no longer be a challenge?

9)To what degree was the (new label) out of your control? Can you exercise more control over it? In what ways?

10)Who was involved in the situation? Were they involved directly or indirectly? Can you have them become more involved or less involved?

11)Was anyone blamed? Could you reassign the blame to someone else? To something else. Could you let go of blaming and just say it happened and leave it at that? Could there be many alternative causes? Could you create another explanation to fit the facts? How might someone else, away from the situation, find someone or something else to blame? Could you blame the entire universe?

12) Was there an environmental factor (economics, living arrangements, employment etc) that might have been involved in this situation? How can these environmental factors be altered? Are there ways to compensate for these environmental factors?

13)Is there a feeling or bodily state involved? Can you clear this feeling or bodily state? Can you alter it in any other way?

14)If there is a feeling or bodily state, when does this feeling come and go? What happens when you ignore the feeling or bodily state and do what you want to do? (Example: Did you ever feel like not doing something, and go ahead and do it anyway? Like chores or school)

15)Was the past involved with your situation? If so, how? Can you relabel the past? Can you ignore the past and refocus on doing something differently?

16)Are there any negative predictions about the future? What were they? Are there other possibilities? What can you do to produce a solution?

17)Do you expect a perfect solution? Could you accept an imperfect solution? Could you accept more (new label) free days? In what ways can you enjoy an imperfect solution?

18) After your problem is solved, how might you sound to your closest friend?

19) When you have a solution, how will dinner taste to you?

20) (If your (new label) is not yet solved) Prior to the next session would you rather observe all the challenge-free times and note them or would you rather do something differently during the (new label) time?

GO TO MSG SESSION 3

Sent: 5:56 PM - 10/2 2000

MULTI-SOLUTIONS GENERATOR: SESSION 3

The following questions will continue the solutions process if it is still required. Write down your answers so you can review them and see how the solution is working.

1) Often between the second and third sessions the reader will notice a change in their situation. What are you noticing about your situation?

2) If you spotted any changes in your situation, would you desire those changes to continue to happen?

3)After you recognize your solution, how will you dress? The instant you notice a solution, what will be your facial expression?

4)Can you change the time of day of your (new label)? If so, how?

5)Can you change the location of your (new label)? Can you make it external? Internal? Far away? If so, how?

6) Can you change the frequency of the (new label) occuring? If so, how?

7)Can you change the sequence of events around the problem? If so, how?

8) Can you interrupt or halt all or part of the event's sequence? If so, how?

9) Can you either jump from the sequence's start to the end or perhaps start the sequence in the middle?

10)Can you change the (new label)'s duration? If so, how?

11)Can you change any of the characteristics or traits of the problem by making them better or worse? If so, how so?

12)Can you perform the problem without the problem-pattern? If so, how?

13)Can you attach the probelm-pattern to an extremely difficult or undesirable task? If so, how?

14) Can you reverse the problem pattern? If so, how?

15)Can you break a large element of the problem pattern into smaller parts? If so, how?

16)Can you review questions 4 through 15? Would you rather perform one or two of the easiest tasks listed?

17) Would you rather observe challenge-free times on odd days or even days or on both kinds of days?

Go to MSG Session 4

Sent: 6:15 PM - 10/2 2000

MULTI-SOLUTIONS GENERATOR: SESSION 4

The following questions will continue the solutions process if it is still required. Write down your answers so you can review them and see how your solution is working.

(1) Frequently between and the third and fourth sessions the reader will notice changes. What are you noticing about your situation?

(2) If you have observed any changes in your situation, would you desire those changes to continue happening?

3)When you notice your solution, would you smile or laugh or appear mildly shocked?

4) The instant you have a solution, will you want to tell someone about it?

5) When you have a solution, will you want to tell someone about it?

6)When you have a solution, might anyone notice it before you?

7) At this moment what works?

8) At this moment what has worked?

9) At this moment what might work?

10)Do the challenge-free times appear to happen without a pattern or reason? If so, can you describe the randomness of your problem-free times?

11)Can you give a step by step detail of the challenge as you recall it?

12) Can you spot the differences between any hypothetical solutions and the way the challenge appeared?

13) Since you started using the Multi-Solution Generator, have you considered how much more fun you are going to have when your solution grows clearer?

14) What is the difference between feeling something might happen and going ahead and doing what you want to do?

15)After you experience the solution, can you carry that learning experience over to another area of your life?

16)What might you do to speed up your solution?

17) Can you keep a record of what you are doing that's giving you what you want?

18)Can you observe the many positive things you are doing during the day and list them?

19) Which would you rather do? (a) Do a task which would alter your challenge's surroundings? or (b) Do a task that would surprise someone important to the problem (Don't tip them off about what you are going to do).

GO TO MSG SESSION 5

Sent: 6:33 PM - 10/2 2000

Multi-Solutions Generator: Session 5

The following questions will continue the solutions process if it is still needed. Jot down your answers so you can review them and see how your solution is working.

(1) Often between the rourth and fifth sessions the reader will notice changes. What are you noticing about your situation?

2)If you have observed any changes in your situation, would you want those changes to continue happening?

3)How did you get the desirable behaviors to happen? What did you do first?

4)When you solve your problem, where would you like to vacation?

5)The instant you have a solution, what sort of music would you like to hear or would you just want silence?

6) Has anyone noticed changes in your challenge? If so, who?

7)If you target was to get a behavior to stop, how did you do it?

8) What are your hobbies and interests? When your challenge is solved, will you have more time for your hobbies and interests?

9)Did you ever have the same challenge in the past? How did you solve it? What do you need to do to recreate the same solution?

10)What do you want to keep happening?

11)What do you do that gives you more confidence?

12)What good things were you and others ,involved in the challenge, doing this week?

13) What had you better do to keep your desired changes going?

14) What plan do you have? What are the desired steps?

15) How much closer are you to your goal?

16)Is your goal clear? Can you make your solutions clearer? What would you do to make your solution clearer?

17)During the next few days would you rather observe the good things that are happening? or Would you rather do more things that work?

18)Would you rather have the solution occur within the next few hours, the next few days, or the next two weeks? Which would be most convenient?

19) How will you think and feel about your solution when you look back at it from the vantage point of a year from now? Three years?

GO to MSG session 6

Sent: 7:01 PM - 10/2 2000

MULTI-SOLUTIONS GENERATOR: SESSION 6

This final group of questions will further refine the solutions generating process if it is still required. Write down your answers so you can review them and see how your solution is working.

(1) Frequently between the fifth and sixth sessions the reader will notice changes. What are you noticing about your situation?

(2) How might clearing tech be used to help you find a solution or create one? Are their emotions, beliefs, or physical sensations that may require clearing?

3) If you observed changes in your situation, would you want those changes to continue to happen?

4) After your solution arrives, what positive things will you notice about your neighborhood? Your house or apartment?

5)After your solution begins to reveal itself, what parts of it will be easiest to accept?

6) When you look back at the problem and its solution 3 years from now, what were the easiest parts to change?

7) Will you daydream about your solution later today or will you dream about it tonight or later in the week in color?

8) It's possible you dreamed your solution many times during the last few evenings and forgot the solution when you woke up. Can you gradually recall parts opf the dream solution or can you remember all of the dream solution? Perhaps tomorrow morning or the day afterwards or next week you will recall parts or all of the dream solution. You might want to jot down the solution or record it on tape.

9)Would you rather change the easiest parts or some other parts? How will you change those parts? Can you clearly describe the solution step by step?

10) Can you describe the challenge-free time, what do you focus on?

11)In describing the challenge-free time, what do you ignore?

12)(If behavior is involved) How would you change a part of the behavior to create a solution? What could you do differently?

13)Can you review your answers to the questions 4 through 15 in the second session? Are there any answers to the questions you would like to change? If so, what are your new responses?

14)Would you rather perform one or two of the easiest tasks listed in session 3? If you can do one or two of the tasks, can you do them slighly differently than when you first performed them?

15)If you got an over night express envelope from an old wise person and the letter inside was marked: "Your Solution", what might the letter say?

16) What might you do to speed your solution?

17) At this instant what works?

18)At this instant what has worked?

19)At this instant what might works?

20)Can you keep a record of what you are doing to give you the results you desire?

21) Can you continue to observe the positive things you are doing during your waking hours and list them if you so desire?

22)After your solution, how will you look back on the steps you used to get it?

23)When you have a solution, how will you know you have it?

24) Right after you discover your solution, will you immediately start to solve a new challenge or will you play with the former challenge a while longer to admire your handiwork.

Thanks to Steve Mensing, Barry Friedberg

Sent: 8:29 PM - 10/2 2000

Steve: This a very creative grouping questions that breaks down our usual ways of looking at a problem. It almost appears as if you have asked questions in a way that leaves me feeling as if the solution is a forgone conclusion. I'm looking forward to doing these questions with an ongoing conflict I've been having with a friend.

Thanks, Jenna

Sent: 9:24 PM - 10/2 2000

Thank you Barry! You must have been posting all night. I'm looking forward to working on this one. Last week's Grok Drills pulled my mind out of its socket in a very opening way.

Thanks, James

Sent: 6:04 AM - 10/3 2000

Steve:

I appreciate the way you assembled the MSG. I've been a large fan of Ericksonian and the Solution Oriented approaches since they started popping up in the late eighties. Your questions and their order really change perspectives on a socalled problem in a hurry. The Solutions-oriented folks studied why therapy worked and why it didn't. They conducted their studies out in Palo Alto through a two way mirror. They began to see what slowed up the therapy process. They studied language forms and it's affects on perspectives. Your 6 session brief counseling approach in MSG is very well constructed. Add you clearing methods and you have a fool proof approach for helping people change. I use Ericksonian and Solutions Oriented approaches to swiftly pull people out of the idea that their situation is hopeless or anywhere near it. This material has real application in marital therapy. Your introduction offers some real insight into why problems are the way they appear.

Lyle Talbot

Wow, go away on vacation and come back and everything has changed. I guess that's what one should expect from a tech board dedicated to transformation.

Steve, WOW...really like the Gork drill. Did you read my mind or what?

Previously there was a discussion on Monkey Mind on the other board. I had completely forgotten about this technique until I had time to reflect during a long car ride.

Now that Label it's have been explained, this is one way of utilizing them. After I had gotten really good at doing label it's this was suggested to me. That all one had to do was a "label it" on one's thought. Watch what happens. If another thought appeared, label that, and so on and so on.

Steve I had completely forgotten that after experiencing this place of "no" thought a few times, that I had anchored it with a label, I used the label "clear". I don't know if I did that intuitively or had read it somewhere. I was amazed that after six years that anchor was still in place. I also anchored a state that I refer to as "present". I was somewhat successful with that. I also tryed anchoring a state of being that I refer to as "grounded", as you all might suspect, I have never been too successful with that one. LOL

Love and light and all that is,

Cyndy

Hi Cyndy:

What does grounding mean to you?

I know high voltage lines are grounded. And airplanes get grounded during severe storm conditions. A kids get grounded when they bring their parents car home five days late. And some folks are grounded in their bodies. But what does grounding mean to you?

Take care, Steve

Steve,

Interesting question, "What does being grounded mean to me?" Honestly, I'll have to feel what it would be like to be grounded and then get back to you.

Perhaps others could share what it feels like to be grounded.

I once asked a pyschic how she grounded yourself. She answered that she used food. I started noticing that alot of females who are pyschic are usually overweight. Doesn't seem to be the case with men. So guys, is this not a problem with you?

I once asked a male friend how I could ground myself. He suggested that I dig a hole in the ground out in the backyard and stand in it.LOL

Love and light and all that is,

Cyndy

Steve,

Thanks, it feels like awareness anchored in body.

The reason the anchor didn't work was that I hadn't fully experienced that state of being.

Does the fact that I have not been fully grounded in my body for most of my life help explain "why" expereinces of altered states have come so easily for me?

Much love,

Cyndy

Cyndy:

Mildly dissociated states are common. A lot of artistic folks are this way. Artists. Poets. Designers. They travel around often not fully in their bodies. This is why self-hypnosis and visualization often comes easy for those

who are mildly dissociated. Frequently these people are called "spacey". This way of being in the world is a resource for many. There's another variety of dissociation that occurs where the person is dissociated to their intellect. They think more rather than feel. The artist imagines in a visual way rather than feels. These are all personal styles and nothing's really wrong with it. It makes for talents and abilities. It's ashame however when folks of a particular category have a challenge accepting others from another category. Artists and business people usually clash from their profound differences in the way they view their surroundings and take in information.

Take care, Steve

Sent: 7:16 PM - 10/3 2000

There is a lot to choose from. Where does one start with these NAP processes?

Sent: 8:44 PM - 10/3 2000

Hi,

I'm translating MSG into Russian. One question.In description MSG "the (new label) free times" means "times without (new label)" or something else?

Sergey

Sergey:

You're correct--label free times (Problem free times}.

I appreciate your translation efforts. Do you do the translation yourself or do you employ software?

Thanks, Steve

Sent: 9:39 PM - 10/3 2000

Steve:

I do it myself in my spare time. I translate only things I like very much (Pilot, Sandor, your works, etc) and which I want to share with my friends (from real life and internet).

IMHO, software/hardware are not ready for quality translation.

Sergey

Sent: 9:42 PM - 10/3 2000

Steve,

Your Multi-Solutions Generator is really strange. It allowed me to look at a "challenge" I was having with my friend in a completely differnt way. Before I finished the first session two solutions looked obvious. The process also let me look at how my thinking about a problem can actually held create the problem. Language and how it's used has a lot of power that I don't believe many of us are fully conscious of. We get locked into looking at reality a certain way. I see where you keep people out of the past tense and negative labels. After I finished the session, I felt more energized and alive. It altered my mood and gave me a sense of hope about this situation. This process might be very good for people who were depressed or felt hopeless. It gives you a sense of control. I almost wish I had more problems so I could work some more with this.

Love, Mirika Chen

I would like to share with everyone that on Monday I got the results back from a recent MRI. These results showed that several malignancies growing on my liver as recently as mid August are no longer there. This thrilled me no end let me tell you. I attribute this remission to several factors I have added to my life since I recieved the initial diagnosis of cancer in March. I have undergone a raw foods diet, the use of mega doses of anti-oxidents and nutritional supplements, visualizations, and NAP tech processes. I suspect they all worked in a powerful synergy.

The NAP tech I used most often were the Vortex and the Meridian Grasp. I focused on those areas which were causing me great stress. My fear of death was overwhelming.

It is no longer a factor in the slightest. I have no fear of death. It is gone and has been replaced by a very relaxed acceptance of life. My fear of death had many individual parts. The Vortex and Meridian Grasp altered all these parts profoundly. It is strange somewhat that in altering my fear of death my daily anxiety states vanished along with it. My automatic assumptions that I had little or no chance of survival vanished. It is stamped in pure steel in my mind and body that I will live. It feel like a forgone conclusion. I can not begin to tell you what that does to my spirit. I feel like my healing spirit has been set free. My relationships with others have been opened up by this whole experience. I use the Vortex tapping structure several times a day to make sure my energies are flowing in harmony. I completely believe the change in diet and my use of the NAP tech were the keys to this turn about. If you cut out your internal stressers that means so much to how you see and feel.

Michel

Michel,

WOW, thank-you for sharing. Amazing tech isn't?

Much love,

Cyndy

Steve,

The state of being "grounded" is really anchored. Cool...

Can you imagine anchoring a state such as satori? Might try anchoring, if I ever experience that state again. Probably not SAFE, but it's LEGAL. LOL

How about a "thinness" state? How would that feel? This might be the most effective creation tech I've ever experienced. So now tell me step by step how you anchor something. I don't have a clue how I do it. (I hope the instructions include a few taps here and there to make it more effective.)

Teko,

Wouldn't it be cool if you could anchor that state in athletics known as the "zone". I wonder if Tiger Woods has been able to do that? I was playing putt-putt on vacation with Hubby and friends. Hubby and friends are regular golfers. I was beating them when I was thinking about this.

Much love,

Cyndy

The word grounding is very interesting; it is one of those words that one tends to accept automaticaly without really asking what it is, except on this board. My Oxford concise defines it as, "teaching the basic elements of a subject", i.e. a thorough grounding in etiquette. But in the personal developement field it has other meanings and is used loosely to describe a state such as being in the body , or being centered, or being connected, or simply being there. So here is a word that has fairly common usage in therapy that hasn't reached the dictionaries yet. My ideal idea of being grounded are two Samari warriors sitting crossed legged with their bums well rooted to the earth, facing each other and exchanging communication unflinching and unwavering. One method for grounding I've come across is to walk slowly barefoot on earth or grass keeping your attention on each step. This is useful if you've been spending too much time upstairs and you need to draw your energy away from your head.

Sent: 2:09 PM - 10/4 2000

Michael,

I am so glad to hear your story of recovery. Any recovery is very good news, whatever the means.

It seems that you pay tribute to your diet and the NAP techniques. 2 very good cause and effects on health. Diet is obviously important and we do not really need to discuss that.

The NAP effect on health needs lots of discussion. The mind really does lead the body. Good or bad health can be generated by the brain. Ofcourse this is not the only cause. Lester Levenson has shown that a good release technique can clear the mind of stress. With the mind, then the body destressed, the body can reassume its natural tendencies toward healing. The power of beliefs has as strong an effect on the body, as say, exercise or diet. Beliefs release chemicals in the body that alter it. That is why the placebo effect is so strong.

But be cautioned, that is just one of many components.

For now, congratulations and enjoy your recovery.

Sent: 2:15 PM - 10/4 2000

Does anyone know what my old buddy Eldon has been up to lately? It seems he has been scarce around these parts. Busy at work on that Source Book?

Cyndy:

Just about any state can be anchored. Satori may be a tad difficult because of its multiple brainwave components. However you might give it a shot. Anchoring is really a straight forward process. Most people find that body anchors are the easiest. In the midst of your satori you might pinch yourself several times in the same spot. This same spot will likley reevoke the same state if Satori is cooperative. At the very least satori like states can be resourced when doing some emoclear tech where you get full essence during the transformation part. The same also occurs in the Core Transformation process when you produce a core resourse. Although there is no regular anchor here, what happens is that your flipover/transformational beacon or core state pops up when you again enter into a situation

similar to the one you cleared. You will be in a zone here.

As for athletics, zones could be anchored. I'm sure there's some professional athletes who might be employing NLP anchoring. Also if someone was to transformationally clear on let's say tension around their putting or foul shooting, they could experience being in a zone when putting or foul shooting if they cleared. Hey can you imagine the Shaq laying inside the foul circle doing a Meridian Grasp. If he ever gets his foul shooting together, can you imagine what his scoring average would become?

Take care, Steve

Michel:

Keep up the good work. Even though you may have been anxious about your situation, you still got up and did the research and the work. Just taking control of your situation can work small miracles.

Take care, Steve

Sent: 5:37 PM - 10/4 2000

Interesting stuff. Steve, have you gotten results from Core Trans? How would you rate it compared to your stuff? I have experimented with anchoring the Core Tran state. I never have had too much success. If I am in a problem state and try to hit the Core anchor, it doesn't seem strong enough to overcome the problem state. (Maybe, a Robbins pattern interupt first?)

Hi,Miriki, nice to see you still around.

Sent: 9:57 PM - 10/4 2000

DR has brought up an interesting point. How much does the mind, or spirit, affect the physical universe? Avatar would tell us that we create all our creations. Do we really? Do we create that traffic accident or that disease? How much of a mind-body-universe connection is there really?

Robert:

I really like the Core Transformation Process. It may not be easy for some folks to follow because of all it's steps, but I believe it's rewarding once you get it nailed down.

It's based on or it at least runs parallel to the old roll forward, roll backward exercise. This is what makes Core Trans go. The old roll forward, roll backward. Its simply asking your feelings/problem what good thing it's doing for you. Then you keep asking how that good thing can get better. You keep asking until you hit wall that ends up in essence land. In Core Transformation this is called the Core State. You then take all your answers and reverse dip them in order in your Core State and they are transformed. You essence has energy added to it. This is a great exercise. Then they have that time line add on that gets you to rapidly review past and future and integrate them.

The end result is you have have one of those nice flipovers/transformational beacons.

You really don't have to anchor a core state because this corestate should leave you in a goodway the next time you enter into a situation where you formerly had a challenge.

I'm not so sure if Core States and Satori states are anchorable in the traditional sense because of the complexity of the brainwaves involved. You'd have to experiment.

Take care, Steve

Sent: 3:55 AM - 10/5 2000

Hi Cindy,

I don t really see how the Satori state can be anchored, because anchoring requires grasping SOMETHING, whereas Satori is nothing that the mind can grasp or hold on to.

Definitionless, Inexplicable WOW....that s what I like calling it. But if you have any succsess in anchoring it, let me and know.

Eternal Dog

Sent: 4:01 AM - 10/5 2000

Dear Robert,

in your post you hint that Avatar tells us we create the physical universe. I did not read this anywhere in the Avatar-Materials. I understand it this way: "I create my perception/reaction/experience of the physical universe".

However, I do believe it s possible to LEARN to expand one s creatability to that point of Mastery, once one has mastered the "Universe of Self".

Eternal Dog

Sent: 6:30 AM - 10/5 2000

Eternal Dog:

It's absolutely true that you can't grasp Satori. However Anchoring is not grasping. It's simply reviving a mental or bodily state by linking it to auditory, visual, or tactile cues. However I too bet that might be a chore or a wait with an anchor because of the reason Steve gave {I think it was Steve} and that is that a satori state may have too many brainwaves going on at once. Satori states have been likened to whole brain synchrony where you have a balance of alpha, theta, and beta spiking. Getting that stuff to happen all at once isn't easy. Your brain can't suddenly pop into that without a buildup and I don't see an anchor giving that enough time. Someone experiment and let us know what happens.

Okie

Sent: 7:02 AM - 10/5 2000

All newcomers:

I hope you're arn't wierded out by some of the conversations posted on this board. For instance today's posts about the possibility of anchoring satori. Some newcomers may be overwhelmed by the possibility of even achieving satori let alone anchoring it as a "convenient" state. A lot of newcomers to this board must have dropped jaws at some of the stuff that gets bandied about as everyday occurrences. The regulars here take a lot for granted now because they've experiemented with a whole lot of tech. Keep in mind that many newcomers would be amazed by what they hear about Emoclear, Avatar, or Core Trans can do.

99% of psychologists, psychaitrists, social workers, and counselors have no clue about rapid change that holds up over time. If they were to come by here they would be freaked if not incredulous. To newcomers I invite you to read and to experiement. These people arn't as crazy as they appear. The processes, that get bandied about here like meat and potatoes, are for real. You just have to pinch yourself sometimes. I don't mean anchoring either.

Lyle Talbot

Sent: 9:43 AM - 10/5 2000

The Physical Universe is our biofeedback unit. When someone observes their universe objectively they can determine whether they are creating their primaries (what they now truly intend) or if they are creating their secondaries (prior beliefs which are still operating and are preventing/ in conflict with the new creation).

Just remember that you are already alway Source. You are the producer, director, actor. It is your stage. You set the show. Appreciate the creation that you are creating. It is from this level you continue the creation, discreate the creation, or go on to any new creation that you choose. Accepting responsibility for your creation is always the first step.

Sent: 11:19 AM - 10/5 2000

Harry,

I've never looked at the physical universe as my personal feedback unit. That is certainly a unique way of looking at the physical universe. Personalizing it as a unit and making it mine. I'm more likely to view the universe as part of my consciousness or as energy to which I am a part.

Is observing the universe objectively set by a criterion based on whether we are creating what we intend versus the creation of prior beliefs that are still operative. How do we create a prior belief? Or are we just observing it now?

I'm somewhat hazy here. Arn't there a lot of other possible criterion for whether we are observing the universe objectively? Arn't these our creations also or our borrowings? Your statement here raises a lot of interesting questions!

What is Source? Is that like a viewer/creator? Is that the same as what some people call witness? Is Source also created when we objectify it? Can Source be discreated?

What is the experience of Source? Knowing that all this is subject to language structures.

I like the idea that we have some control over our reality.

That we can create and discreate and this will certainly raise the probability of what we want being put into motion.

But what if what we want or intend is blocked by circumstances outside our control? We do have to deal with others, with genetics, our talents, our abilities, competing creators and discreators, gravity, solar flares, you name it.

Why would accepting responsibility for my creation always be the first step. Can I take partial responsibility? No responsibility at all and still create? Hey I only want to take full responsibility for creations that work out! If it flubs can I blame my schooling and upbringing? What law in the universe says I have to take responsibility for my creation as my first step? How would this benefit my creation process?

Hey if you're Harry Palmer come on by. There's plenty of room on this tech board.

Roy

Sent: 11:45 AM - 10/5 2000

Cyndy:

As you are reading this the police are going through your car's glove compartment. I'm sorry but I had to turn you in.

Kind Bud! Howabout sensimmilia laced with DMT. Now we're talking!

People are going to experiment with hallucinogens anyway.

I think breathwork will take you to the same places as any of the hallucinogens and it is not as intense as high dose LSD.

Why I'm not in favor of drugs generally:

1--it's illegal and you can get busted.

2--somepeople get traumatized by their use. It's more likely the psychological junk already inside the person that leads to trauma and panic. However hallucinogens can help to faciliate a number on some persons.

3--A lot of the hallucinogens out there now are banked and labbed by unscrupulous and greedy criminal types. Quality control is not there. You can get toxic overdoses and drugs cut with speed and poisons. That's a fact.

4--Some people can not handle high intensity trips because they will freak or go psychotic. That's a fact.

5--Most hallucinogens are misused by doper types. They're drinking beer and wine and doing pot speed and acid and the same time. They do it a raves for sensual effects and not for inner exploration.

6--The mob often profits from hallucinogens. The days of the honest campus lab are long gone.

7--Safer alternatives exist.

People are going to do hallucinogens no matter what. Just know your sources and know that certain kinds of breathwork will take you there without poisoning you or sending your system out of balance.

William Tekada

To all my many parts:

"In the woods we return to reason and faith. There I feel that nothing can befall me in life -- no disgrace, no calamity which nature cannot repair. Standing on the bare ground -- my head bathed by the blithe air, and uplifted into infinite grace -- all mean egotism vanished. I become a transparent eyeball. I am nothing. I see all. The currents of the Universal Being circulate though me; I am part or particle of God." Ralph Waldo Emerson

What "proof" does anyone have that we are NOT all closely connected in every aspect of our being? Who created pronouns that are used as labels to separate "us" from "them" and "you" and "me"? Are all smaller human organisms on the planet just subsets of the one greater organism?

If so, then the temporary creation called "we" is, in fact, just one FULLY RESPONSIBLE CREATOR for everything that is created.

Just a little syrup for your ice cream...........

macespace

Sent: 2:01 PM - 10/5 2000

Macespace:

Make sure that syrup isn't bug repellant!

According to my tea leaves there was actually three creators. All the evidence is there. Clear as day.

All "connection" is just wishful thinking. Science shows over and over again than singularity it a sham of the preverbal reptilian mind.

Stop playing lose and fast with God's dice!

I you we they them her and its proves what did it.

Subtract the plural from the singular and what do you get?

Well Macespace? What?

Word games and number games prove nothing.

Nothing was ever created in the first place.

Where do you get the idea that something was even created? Who gave you the license to believe that something was actually created? And don't give me evidence from inside your mind whereever that's located! Ha Ha--you're still trapped inside your mind. As soon as you get out let me know.

What created the creator? Yeah--what?

I want something deeper than singularity or one. Expose the mind and blow up the thought process!

Commander "Snake" Thompson

Sent: 2:07 PM - 10/5 2000

Commander "Snake" Thompson knows.

If you want to know the Meverse, Discreate your mind.

There are no verbs, adjectives, pronouns, nouns, or activity of any sort outside of mind.

I torture you with your minds.

I created me and meverse with your minds.

Don't be limited by your minds. And stop trying to explain something with your minds.

The truth is:

God