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ÿþ<HTML> <title>Essays ... about Kathryn Peretti Frasier </title> <head> <style> <!-- a {text-decoration:none} //--> </style> </head> <body bgcolor="fffffb" body background="bg.gif" bgproperties=fixed text="#000000" link="#7B5115" vlink="6C6C6C" alink="E2B004"> <center><a href="index.html"><img src="logo.jpg" width="754" height="82" alt="Other Beautiful Things" border="0"></a><TABLE BORDER=0 CELLPADDING=0 CELLSPACING=0> <TR> <TD> <A HREF="index.html"> <IMG SRC="home.gif" WIDTH=57 HEIGHT=22 BORDER=0></A></TD> <TD> <A HREF="images.html"> <IMG SRC="images.gif" WIDTH=76 HEIGHT=22 BORDER=0></A></TD> <TD> <A HREF="media.html"> <IMG SRC="media.gif" WIDTH=155 HEIGHT=22 BORDER=0></A></TD> <TD> <A HREF="storyline.html"> <IMG SRC="story.gif" WIDTH=137 HEIGHT=22 BORDER=0></A></TD> <TD> <A HREF="press.html"> <IMG SRC="press.gif" WIDTH=45 HEIGHT=22 BORDER=0></A></TD> <TD> <A HREF="words.html"> <IMG SRC="words.gif" WIDTH=142 HEIGHT=22 BORDER=0></A></TD> <TD> <A HREF="links.html"> <IMG SRC="links.gif" WIDTH=46 HEIGHT=22 BORDER=0></A></TD> <TD> <A HREF="updates.html"> <IMG SRC="updates.gif" WIDTH=96 HEIGHT=22 BORDER=0></A></TD> </TR> </TABLE> <br> <font face="Georgia, Bookman Old Style"> <font size="-1"> <hr><a href="words.html#essays">Essays</a> | <a href="http://www.stormpages.com/knsfanfic/index.html">Fan Fiction</a> | <a href="r&r.html">Reviews and Rants</a> | <a href="humor.html">Humor</a></font size><hr> <font face="Annifont" font size="+1">Katie Essays</font face> <p></center> 10. <a href="#katie10">"Why Can Katie Tell the Difference But Holden Couldn't?"</a> ... Alexa and Various Posters<br> 9. <a href="#katie9">"The Way Katie Kisses Simon"</a> ... JenniferH.<br> 8. <a href="#katie8">"The Turning Point for Katie"</a> ... JenniferH.<br> 7. <a href="#katie7">"Katie's Needing to Know"</a> ... JenniferH.<br> 6. <a href="#katie6">"Definitely the Need to Be in Control"</a> ... JenniferH.<br> 5. <a href="#katie5">"Katie in Control"</a> ... Frances<br> 4. <a href="#katie4">"About That Indecent Proposal ..."</a> JenniferH.<br> 3. <a href="#katie3">"The Glory of Terri Conn"</a> ... Irlandesa<br> 2. <a href="#katie2">"Katie: I Have Never Felt This Guilty" </a> ...Tarren<br> 1. <a href="#katie1">"Katie's Character: What ARE They Doing?"</a> ...JenniferH.<p> <hr><font size="-1"> <center><a href="words.html#essays">Essays Index</a> | <a href="words.html#fanfic">Fan Fiction</a> | <a href="r&r.html">Reviews and Rants</a> | <a href="humor.html">Humor</a> | <a href="words.html">Words Inspired by Katie & Simon</a></font size> <hr><p></center> <a name="katie10"> <center><font size="+1" font face="Georgia">"Why Can Katie Tell the Difference But Holden Couldn't?"<br></font><font size="-2" font face="Georgia">By Alexa and Various Posters -- posted on <a href="http://pub101.ezboard.com/botherbeautifulthings">Other Beautiful Things</a> Message Board</a><p></font></center></center> <b>Alexa ... </b><p> The first thing to consider is that Holden has<i> never</i> been the brightest bulb -- he has a history of mistaking other women for Lily (women who look nothing like Lily)and having sex with them only to find out later he was mistaken. Add the fact that Lily and Holden had been having marital <i>issues</i> (her involvement with Simon and the letters) so it had probably been awhile since he'd been with Lily. Gotta give him credit thought cause he did notice afterward that she was <i>different</i> but since it wasn't a bad different he decided to ignore it!<p> Katie on the other hand <i>knows</i> every sexy wonderful inch of her man and caught on right away that something wasn't right about him. At first she thought he was playing a part, then she thought he was being a mean jerk but second their lips touched she<i> knew</i> he wasn't<i> her</i> Simon.<p> It's not just a woman thing -- when Simon was with Lily he was always able to tell when Rose was being fake Lily and he would probably notice a faux Katie even quicker!<p> <b>Theresa ... </b><p> Well in defense of Holden (sorta) Rose was doing a much better job playing Lily than Donovan is/was doing playing Simon. Also, Rose was in Lily s home environment and had access to Lily's journals and scrapbooks which she read and used freely in order to pull off her charade. And to give Holden credit, he did think there was something wrong with Lily at the time. He talked about it to Lucinda and she told him he was crazy that Lily was just going through some problems. And after he slept with Rose/Lily, he commented that she was not acting like the Lily he knew and Rose made some excuse.<p> So in all honesty, I think Holden did know something was off with Lily, but since he didn't have any idea that Lily had a twin sister, I don't think his first thought would be that it was an imposter.<p> On the other hand Katie had lots of clues that Simon wasn't Simon. He didn't act like Simon or talk like him. Donovan was a smoking, drinking, waitress butt-slapping pig and he treated Katie like dirt, which was so totally different that the way RealSimon behaved only a short time ago when he left for Avanya, so I was not surprised at all that Katie thought something was up. Plus somehow I think it would be easier to think your husband has an imposter when said imposter threatens to kill you. Added to that Katie is much more of a free spirit than staid Holden, she is used to unusual things happening in her life, so she would be much more likely to believe some far out theory about an imposter than Holden would.<p> <b>JenniferH ... </b><p> Simon knowing if it was Lily or Rose. I do think that had Holden been <i>aware</i> that a Rose actually existed that he too would have known the difference without question.<p> As for why Katie knew and Holden didn't, I think your idea (he's a guy, he thinks with little Holden) definitely has merit, but even more so, as Alexa said, he's not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed. And not only is Katie sharp as a tack, she also has studied every little thing about Simon (as she's said) so how would she NOT know that it wasn't her man?<p> KnS rock! <p> Alexa and Various Posters<p> <hr><font size="-1"> <center> <a href="#katie9">Previous Essay</a> | <a href="simon.html">Simon Essays</a> | <a href="katie.html">Katie Essays</a> | <a href="episodes.html">Episode Essays</a> | <a href="arcs.html">Storyline Arc Essays</a></font size> <hr><p> <a name="katie9"> <center><font size="+1" font face="Georgia">"The Way Katie Kisses Simon "<br></font><font size="-2" font face="Georgia">By JenniferH. -- posted on <a href="http://pub101.ezboard.com/botherbeautifulthings">Other Beautiful Things</a> Message Board</a><p></font></center></center> I used to watch <i>Passions</i> and early on when Luis and Sheridan weren't a couple yet and she was caught between him and Hank, someone commented on Media Domain that she was crazy about Sheridan and Luis but the special-ness of the pairing lost some of its luster for her when Sheridan kissed Hank with the exact same amount of fervor and passion as she did Luis. Several people agreed.<p> I know you're thinking what does this have to do with Kns? Well, weekbehinder here who just saw last Thursday's scenes with Katie and Bruno and I was thinking of that quote about Sheridan kissing Hank and both Luis the exact same way.<p> Katie did not kiss Bruno the way she kisses Simon. And while it didn't cause me any joy in the past, I'm rather glad now of the implication that Simon has only recently (and it still only happens occasionally) begun to Katie with even remotely the same amount of passion and desire with which he kissed Lily. <p> I'm glad about that because for me it shows that both Terri Conn and Paul Leyden are thinking of the characters and how they would act and react in situations, even to the degree of kissing. And I like that because it WOULD bother me if Katie had kissed Bruno with the same passion and open-ness that she does Simon because there should be a difference. And consequently, it will thrill me when Simon kisses Katie with that yearning desperation that he kissed Lily because it will mean that Simon loves Katie with that all-consuming devotion that he previously only gave to Lily -- with the added bonus that Katie makes him happy, she's his best friend and you know, they'll actually have sex. <p> JenniferH.<p> <hr><font size="-1"> <center> <a href="#katie10">Next Essay</a> | <a href="#katie8">Previous Essay</a> | <a href="simon.html">Simon Essays</a> | <a href="katie.html">Katie Essays</a> | <a href="episodes.html">Episode Essays</a> | <a href="arcs.html">Storyline Arc Essays</a></font size> <hr><p> <a name="katie8"> <center><font size="+1" font face="Georgia">"The Turning Point for Katie"<br></font><font size="-2" font face="Georgia">By JenniferH. -- posted on <a href="http://pub101.ezboard.com/botherbeautifulthings">Other Beautiful Things</a> Message Board</a><p></font></center></center> In reading through the many, varied comments across the board, the two that struck me the most especially when taking in all the other comments were from Sarah over at <a href="http://www.atwt.com/discussion/index.cgi?az=list&forum=atwt&conf=CBS_Soaps">ATWT.com Forum</a> and Oakdale Princess (she does the Kudos/Kayos) over at <a href="http://www.mediadomain.com/cgi-bin/netforum/atwt/a.cgi/1">Media Domain</a>.<p> From Sarah: "I LOVE Terri Conn, the woman ROCKS! That scene with Guido Italian charming Katie was SO fantastic! The look on her face as he described Tuscany, painting the picture of a gorgeous holiday with Simon, and then for her to look back and see Lily bawling in Simon's arms, that said EVERYTHING that needed to be said. You wouldn't blame Katie in the slightest for giving up on her dreams, for falling for a man that not only recognizes her worth, but ACTS on his feelings for her. I'm ALL for Simon coming back and realizing the hard way he's taken Katie for granted. When was the last time we had a CHARACTER driven triangle? Tom/Margo/Hal I think."<p> From Oakdale Princess: "KUDOS to betrayals and turning points. Could it be that Simon has blown his chance with Katie by trying to protect Lily? All of those scenes at the airport were so beautifully done, especially Martha and Terri as their characters both sorted through their feelings and choices." <p> Now we all expected the typical tiff with the typical Katie reaction. We didn't get it. We got a mature, reflective Katie. We got "the look on her face as Guido described Tuscany, painting the picture of a gorgeous holiday with Simon, and then [seeing] Lily bawling in Simon's arms ... [a look] that said EVERYTHING that needed to be said." We got Katie sorting through her feelings and making choices. We got the believability of Katie "giving up on her dreams," and we're beginning to see how she could turn to another man, one "that not only recognizes her worth, but ACTS on his feelings for her." And we got Simon not seeing that, blinded by his need (necessary or not in the larger scheme of things) to protect Lily -- simply not realizing that he is losing Katie.<p> And I'm revising my thoughts about how Katie's reaction to Bruno and how the subsequent scenes with him and Simon will play out, leading to the Carribean get-away. I think that Katie will really be swayed by this Bruno. After all, it's clearly not just that he is hitting on her. She dances with him, she later tells him the full story of her marriage, and then she is having fun with him as they bond over their shared Italian heritage. That does sound like she is genuinely opening herself up to a possibility of life without Simon in it. And when Simon continues to act like a blind fool, not admitting his jealousy, not committing to the marriage, I think she has enough. I think she really will mean it when she takes off. And, as a KnS-er, it's hard to admit because I want them together <i>so</i> much, but she SHOULD mean it! <p> She SHOULD walk away from him and absolutely mean it! She's given Simon almost a year, she's been patient, she's been loving, she's been understanding, she's been nothing more than an eager lapdog, a welcome mat that he has been wiping his feet upon. Seeing Simon still so connected to Lily - still finding it necessary to stay with her than be with his wife, is just too much for her and apparently, that was illustrated perfectly today.<p> I admit that I want to see Simon groveling as much as the next person, but I don't think it's going to be played in a way that will have us KnS-ers almost jubiliant in seeing Simon admitting his feelings. I'm having a feeling that we're gonna see the dark, the serious, the angsty-side of this duo that has been there in small doses from the beginning. When Simon realizes that he does truly want Katie in his life, it's going to be painful. I think we may even see some of that heart-breaking anguish that Simon went through when Lily dumped him -- and that stuff was harsh and hard to watch. <p> On one hand, seeing him devastated (even a little bit) by the lack of Katie in his life will be heartening ... but on the other hand, I don't want to see them ever hurting over one another that deeply. However, apparently, I believe at this point that Simon NEEDS to hurt that badly to actually get it! And I think it's going to have to be almost (and we're hanging on the barest thread of almost) too late for Simon. <p> I doubt we're going to see a reunion/make-up in just a few episodes with Simon smiling and teasing Katie and that's all it will take -- as I had anticipated. You know, Simon simply expressing that he does love her, he does want the marriage to work and Katie flying into his arms. I had actually originally imagined a much darker scenario, but I didn't think such a scenario would play out -- due to the lighthearted, funny and fun, sexy and sweet scenes we've seen with them lately. However, and maybe <i>because</i> of those light scenes, I'm thinking now that that a dark scenario is exactly the kind that will play out. Katie had such a strong taste of what it could be like, only to find herself second to Lily ... again.<p> I honestly do believe now that it's going to take a lot of effort and I think we're going to be in for a lot of heartache on both sides. I sincerely believe that the lightness and fun of this duo ended for a while on Friday's episode; which is good for their longevity. A couple can't attain front-burner status and sustain interest based on just fun and sex (although, it's sure fun and, well, sexy), and I'm thinking that since Hogan created this pairing -- his first one -- and obviously loves them, he's going to cultivate them to the zenith of what couples can do from every spectrum. Fortunately, he's got actors who are capable of it -- but it's just gonna make the next couple of months rather painful for us.<p> Of course, I could be totally off my rocker ..... but I don't think I am. <p> JenniferH.<p> <hr><font size="-1"> <center> <a href="#katie9">Next Essay</a> | <a href="#katie7">Previous Essay</a> | <a href="simon.html">Simon Essays</a> | <a href="katie.html">Katie Essays</a> | <a href="episodes.html">Episode Essays</a> | <a href="arcs.html">Storyline Arc Essays</a></font size> <hr><p> <a name="katie7"> <center><font size="+1" font face="Georgia">"Katie's Needin' to Know"<br></font><font size="-2" font face="Georgia">By JenniferH. -- posted on <a href="http://pub101.ezboard.com/botherbeautifulthings">Other Beautiful Things</a> Message Board</a><p></font></center></center> I'm thinking that there's a point to Katie's extreme neediness in regards to begging Simon about the status of their relationship even in the most unlikely (and frankly untimely) of situations. Yes, of course, she's pestered before -- but this time she's being much more, well, needy. I'm also thinking it may be what's gonna lead her to probably saying "I can't deal with this anymore."<p> She's said all along that she'll be happy with just a little love, a little attention, she understands that he loves Lily, accepts that, blah, blah, blah -- well, she's said all that when she basically has gotten nada, zippo and zilch from him. <p> After the island back in their suite was the first time truly that Simon ever treated her remotely like a wife and I think that that may have started a chain reaction. When he reverted to JBE* in front of Lily in Malta, because of the circumstances, it could be hedged and explained away. But then in the basement, it was back to treating her like almost a wife, someone that he loves and wants in his life, and well, wants ... period.<p> So, if the spoiler comes to pass that after Damian deports KnS and Simon hops off the plane to go and save Lily, leaving Katie high and dry I think that the chain reaction that started back in the suite is gonna hit full simmer and just get hotter and hotter between the time he's in Malta and she's back in Oakdale not so patiently cooling her heels.<p> See, she could say all that stuff about accepting it and being willing to wait when she hadn't really had an idea of what Simon fully loving and wanting her would be like -- now that she has that idea, I think she's going to realize that she can't accept 20% or 50% or even 75% of his love and attention. She won't be able to deal with him keeping a part of himself in reserve because of his great love for Lily. She won't be able to settle for him settling -- she will want it all. She's human. She's selfish, but even putting that aside, just like about most people in this world, she deserves it: Someone who truly loves her, for her and only her.<p> So, I think the emphasis on her neediness is because she's realizing this without consciously so and so now she NEEDS more than ever to know that she is getting that from him, or at least that there is a strong, sure sign that she will be getting that very soon. <p> At least that's my theory. Yes, I can find logic and sense in <i>everything</i> Katie does.<p> * Jerky-Boy Extraordinaire. <p> JenniferH.<p> <hr><font size="-1"> <center> <a href="#katie8">Next Essay</a> | <a href="#katie6">Previous Essay</a> | <a href="simon.html">Simon Essays</a> | <a href="katie.html">Katie Essays</a> | <a href="episodes.html">Episode Essays</a> | <a href="arcs.html">Storyline Arc Essays</a></font size> <hr><p> <a name="katie6"> <center><font size="+1" font face="Georgia">"Definitely, It's the Control"<br></font><font size="-2" font face="Georgia">By Frances -- posted on <a href="http://pub101.ezboard.com/botherbeautifulthings">Other Beautiful Things</a> Message Board</a><p></font></center></center> <i>My mind keeps wandering back to the scene where Simon tells Katie it would be better if he kept her locked in the handcuffs. He is joking, I know, but Katie gets almost desperate that he is serious. Now, I read this many different ways:</i><p> I'm going with number four ... but a brief stop with number three ... <p> <i>I want more family interaction, darnit. I want Lyla to make another appearance. I want her to see that Simon and Katie are actually forming a relationship now. Wow, I think I have strayed off topic. </i><p> Off-topic, but I agree 100%.<p> <i>4. Katie hates not being in control. Katie is always in control of a situation. She is the pursuer, not the pursued in her relationships. What would she do if Simon pursued her instead of the other way around? She was vulnerable to Simon in those handcuffs. </i><p> Bingo! Actually, I recently saw the car sex scenes and Katie had a line early on about why she doesn't drink often and it's because she doesn't like to be out of control. A short conversation actually evolved out of that. She said that she doesn't like being out of control, but then said that it was kinda fun. He said that he likes it because you can just let your feelings run wild. She then immediately said no. Feelings were bad things, she didn't like feelings, they only hurt you and he said, yeah, but they can also be amazing.<p> And I think that all factors in together for Katie. Control is about keeping feelings in check, taking the lead, taking charge of what can and can not happen to you. Yes, she has completely laid her heart on the line with Simon, but it has been her decision and so she has the control of the situation. She is leading their relationship -- Simon is responding to her, whether it be to tell her to back off or slowly falling into way of thinking ... she is still in control.<p> I too hope this is explored more.<p> JenniferH.<p> <hr><font size="-1"> <center> <a href="#katie7">Next Essay</a> | <a href="#katie5">Previous Essay</a> | <a href="simon.html">Simon Essays</a> | <a href="katie.html">Katie Essays</a> | <a href="episodes.html">Episode Essays</a> | <a href="arcs.html">Storyline Arc Essays</a></font size> <hr><p> <a name="katie5"> <center><font size="+1" font face="Georgia">"Katie in Control"<br></font><font size="-2" font face="Georgia">By Frances -- posted on <a href="http://pub101.ezboard.com/botherbeautifulthings">Other Beautiful Things</a> Message Board</a><p></font></center></center> My mind keeps wandering back to the scene where Simon tells Katie it would be better if he kept her locked in the handcuffs. He is joking, I know, but Katie gets almost desperate that he is serious. Now, I read this many different ways:<p> 1. Katie does not want to be left behind when Simon goes off to rescue the Snyder clan. If she is still handcuffed, she is not as helpful to the mission.<p> 2. Katie is angry that Simon is casually tossing aside the effort Katie could put into saving the family. He is taking for granted that she is good at getting out of desperate situations and treating her like a nuisance.<p> 3. Katie has a deep fear of not being appreciated and left behind emotionally (unlike #1 above). See, from what I gather from transcripts (especially the Christmas one), Lyla was busy being a star and Katie travelled the globe with her. Now, though Lyla insisted Katie was not mistreated or neglected in any way, I am sure there had to be some instances where she felt invisible, or left behind. Heck, her family treats her like dirt. Craig is too wrapped up in his world. Margo is busy taking care of Craig and protecting his innocence as well as "learning" her job (it still irks me she chose her job over finding Katie). Her mother is MIA. There is no mention of the fact that Bryant, Adam and Will are her family, too. She didn't want to believe that Simon would really dismiss her by keeping her in the cuffs. She would be defenseless without them. <p> I want more family interaction, darnit. I want Lyla to make another appearance. I want her to see that Simon and Katie are actually forming a relationship now. Wow, I think I have strayed off topic. <p> 4. Katie hates not being in control. Katie is always in control of a situation. She is the pursuer, not the pursued in her relationships. What would she do if Simon pursued her instead of the other way around? She was vulnerable to Simon in those handcuffs. <p> Some of these points might overlap, or I may be incoherent at times, but these thoughts keep rattling in my head and I need others to help me realize if I am seeing something or not. These could have been throw-away scenes, but Terri put just the right tones in her voice to suggest something more than aggravation that Simon wouldn't unlock her handcuffs. I hope Hogan builds on this.<p> Frances<p> Read <a href="#katie6">JenniferH.'s Response</a><p> <hr><font size="-1"> <center> <a href="#katie6">Next Essay</a> | <a href="#katie4">Previous Essay</a> | <a href="simon.html">Simon Essays</a> | <a href="katie.html">Katie Essays</a> | <a href="episodes.html">Episode Essays</a> | <a href="arcs.html">Storyline Arc Essays</a></font size> <hr><p> <a name="katie4"> <center><font size="+1" font face="Georgia">"About That Indecent Proposal ..."<br></font><font size="-2" font face="Georgia">By JenniferH. -- posted on <a href="http://pub101.ezboard.com/botherbeautifulthings">Other Beautiful Things</a> Message Board</a><p></font></center></center> I admit, I am genuinely surprised. It didn't really hit me the first time I read the transcripts, but after I did again, boy did it sink in. Katie was <i><b><u>actually</u></b></i> going to let Cooley have sex with her in exchange for the scuba gear that she needs to find Simon's diamond in order to make Simon love her. She was actually going to do it. I mean, whoah, she was all in her trance thing -- which I actually think was really quite interesting and as someone pointed out on MD (I think it was the poster who does "Kudos and Kayos") that does help a lot in explaining how Katie has managed to keep her personality so ebullient and bubbly after all of that has happened to her .... Anyhoo, back to the original point which was, she was all in her trance thing and fully intending on letting Cooley have his way with her.<br> <br> And yet, I'm not seeing this as a bad thing. I'm not sure why, but I'm not. It actually makes me respect her more -- because I can't imagine too many soap "heroines" who would be willing to go to such lengths for their "heroes" ... but Katie would and is willing to do anything for Simon. I mean, I honestly think that she would do anything for him should she have to ... and that's pretty heady stuff.<br> <br> I'm still laying out the transcripts for the site and just came across something from mid-April when Simon first began working Ruby. The "walking G-spot" (as Katie called her) was waiting outside for Simon to finish 'taking care of' Katie and Simon said it was business, he had to go, that Ruby wouldn't wait forever and Katie's simple reply was, "I would." And I just felt the same little bit of, oh, awe is too strong a word, but something along those lines, that I felt when the realization that Katie was actually going to go through with it with Cooley for Simon.<br> <br> I mean, that is just immense and intense ... how often in this day and age in the media (and soaps especially) do we see a character depicted with such a pure and complete love for someone? And that is what it is for Katie - it is pure and it is complete ... her love for Simon fills her, it's why she was willing to live in a junky garage and try and make it home for him. It is why she has shown her true self to him without fear of rejection because deep inside she knows that he won't judge her or walk away from her because of who she is. It is why she has been so adamant in believing that he <i>will</i> fall in love with her and theirs <i>will</i> be a true marriage. And it is also why she hasn't been consumed with the burning desire to re-start her career, or any career. Going back to some earlier transcripts, take a gander at this bit:<br> <br> <b>Henry:</b> Why are you so dead set on this guy? What does he have to offer?<br> <b>Katie:</b> He's good, and he's, and he's kind.<br> <b>Henry:</b> Oh, oh, how I long for the good old days before you had these silly stars in your eyes. Remember, Katie, WOAK, clawing your way to the top? You know, glomming on to Holden was at least good for your career, but glomming on to Simon for this?<br> <b>Katie:</b> There's more to life than getting ahead,<br> <b>Henry:</b> Since when? What has happened to your common sense, woman?<br> <b>Katie:</b> It was at WOAK that I had no common sense. I used to think that love and ambition could coexist. Boy, did I learn a big lesson. Yeah, Holden was way too good a man. We had nothing in common. <br> <br> It just seems to me that in Katie we have a character who isn't delusional or psychotic, just a firm believer in true love and she honestly, genuinely believes that she and Simon can have that. And she may just be right when you consider how they have been there for each other -- both sides here ... remember, Simon let her stay at the garage apartment with him after their one-night stand even though Lily had decided that week that it was him she loved and not Holden and this was after only two conversations and their drunken romp -- and again, they are genuinely friends. They know each other, they like each other and they are both see life in that quirky, skewed way of theirs. Most people are irritated and annoyed by Katie's view of things -- even Henry seems more affectionately irritated by her most of the time -- but Simon said it himself, when she is being pure Katie, he loves every minute of it.<br> <br> So, I guess I'm taking my stance back about not wanting Katie to be so resolute in her determination to get Simon and also about not having a job -- the romantic in me is thrilled with the fact that there is a daytime character who is such a poster child for the belief in true love. Works for me. <p> JenniferH.<p> <hr><font size="-1"> <center> <a href="#katie5">Next Essay</a> | <a href="#katie3">Previous Essay</a> | <a href="simon.html">Simon Essays</a> | <a href="katie.html">Katie Essays</a> | <a href="episodes.html">Episode Essays</a> | <a href="arcs.html">Storyline Arc Essays</a></font size> <hr><p> <a name="katie3"> <center><font size="+1" font face="Georgia">"The Glory of Terri Conn"<br></font><font size="-2" font face="Georgia">By Irlandesa -- posted on <a href="http://pub101.ezboard.com/botherbeautifulthings">Other Beautiful Things</a> Message Board</a><p></font></center></center> Tarren wrote: <i>IHave Never Felt This Guilty about loving a character before, re: Katie ...</i><p> I think it has everything to do with Terri Conn. Or at least a good part of it. I said the same thing in another post, somebody acting the way Katie has been acting would usually annoy me, but it doesn't. I think it's easy to miss how good Conn has been because she hasn't really been given long dramatic scenes, but this story hinges on her performance. She has to make you believe she knows what she's doing and she has to make you believe that she's right. Soon, she's going to have Simon believing she's right. <p> With this story, there's a thin line between pathetic and a successful story. I personally feel we have success. Another good thing is that Conn has been given some help with writing. (It's why I love Hogan Sheffer.) Yesterday she was pushing Simon to make love to her, but during their conversation we see that even though she's in the ''Simon loves me'' phase, she also understands that he's not giving in to her due to his undying love, he's giving in to her due to a combination of affection, hormones and attraction. <p> While she seems to be living in la-la land, she still has a sense of reality. <p> I think that helps a lot. <p> The way it has been portrayed is a woman who is not letting her insecurities get the better of her. Typically when we see this situation in soaps, a character might think another loves them, but insecurity can prevent them from stating their feelings. Katie lacks those insecurities for the moment. Both Simon and Katie are both delusional in their own ways. Katie with her fantastical way of approaching the situation and Simon with his denial. I get the sense that it will both hurt them in the end. Simon will inadvertently hurt Katie. He won't mean to, but Katie will be hurt and possibly not trust him when he declares that he does love her. Simon will regret living in denial for so long. I don't think they'll break up for good, it'll just be a rocky point in their relationship. <p> Irlandesa<p> <hr><font size="-1"> <center> <a href="#katie4">Next Essay</a> | <a href="#katie2">Previous Essay</a> | <a href="simon.html">Simon Essays</a> | <a href="katie.html">Katie Essays</a> | <a href="episodes.html">Episode Essays</a> | <a href="arcs.html">Storyline Arc Essays</a></font size></center> <hr><p> <a name="katie2"> <center><font size="+1" font face="Georgia">"Katie: I Have Never Felt This Guilty ..."<br></font><font size="-2" font face="Georgia">By Tarren -- posted on <a href="http://soapzone.com/cgi-bin/TopicList.cgi/atwt/main">Soap Zone <i>ATWT</i> Message Board</a><p></font></center></center> ... about loving a character before, and trust me when it comes to my daytime past, more with men than with female characters I usally go for the bad, bad, horrible, barely redeemable guys. But the women, well let me say that my all time favorite female is Julia Wainwright and ''she'' would be appalled by Katie, if Nancy Lee Grahn had taken the job of Margo all those years ago and she were still on the show, I guess I would be getting a little bit of ''Julia's'' reaction to this girl. <p> I know that she should put her foot down and stop being so sweet to this man who has been rude, crude and insulting, but she's not; she continues to love him, trust him, fight like a cat over a Simon, something I was taught a dignified woman does not do, at least not violently. You do it by being a ''nice'' girl and if he doesn't want you then hold your head up high and keep walking and never look back, not Katie. The day she jumped on Ruby at Lucinda's I knew I was nuts right along with her, because there I was enjoying seeing a woman fighting with another woman over a man who up until that point had not shown any real interest in either of them. <p> In my defense I have to say that what sold me on Katie and Simon was the day that he was being arrested for driving into Lucinda's house and he was drunk, at the police station there was something about the way Katie and Simon interacted that got my attention and I have loved them ever since. I taped over that show because I did not know that Lily and Simon were over and I thought that what I was seeing was a one day thing, had I known I would have kept it. <p> Does any one else feel as ashamed at enjoying Katie as I do. Terri Conn has really done a great job of not making me hate Katie for loving a man that does not love her. At least not yet. <p> Tarren -- Read <a href="#katie3">Irlandesa's Response</a><p> <hr><font size="-1"> <center> <a href="#katie3">Next Essay</a> | <a href="#katie1">Previous Essay</a> | <a href="simon.html">Simon Essays</a> | <a href="katie.html">Katie Essays</a> | <a href="episodes.html">Episode Essays</a> | <a href="arcs.html">Storyline Arc Essays</a></font size></center> <hr> <p> <a name="katie1"> <center><font size="+1" font face="Georgia">"Katie's Character: What ARE They Doing?"<br></font><font size="-2" font face="Georgia">By JenniferH. -- posted on <a href="http://pub101.ezboard.com/botherbeautifulthings">Other Beautiful Things</a> Message Board</a><p></font></center></center> This whole point of view has been simmering but came to the forefront after this whole Barbie doll incident ... as amusing as it was at first, come on writers! When they legitimately have a cop ask Simon how old his wife is, something is wrong here. They have got to stop writing Katie as if she is such a simpering, idiotic, childish moron. I seriously (and I mean seriously) hope that something happens in the next couple of months that adds some maturity to this character. As much as I love KnS, I'm beginning to agree with the naysayers at this point, how can Simon fall passionately in love with her when she acts and sounds and is simply written as if she is foolish thirteen year old? Oh, I really think this island story is a bad idea on so many levels now. <p> 1.) I would have loved to have seen Katie's reaction to Holden and Luke's "deaths." She wanted a 'family' with them (and Faith) and now they are gone and she isn't even aware of it -- that could have provided some much needed maturity of late, and also allowed her to maybe step back from blindly pursuing Simon.<p> 2.) Quite frankly going after a diamond at the bottom of the ocean pretty much unprepared IS stupid.<p> 3.) KnS are just really beginning to develop a fan base as evidenced by comments I've read on the net, in the magazines, the mail in Soap Opera Digest, and TPTB (who are veering perilously close to TIIC) separate the pair for over a month.<p> 4.) With every scene of Simon learning more about Katie (her folder, the Barbie dolls, his reaction to her notes) we are just seeing her revealed as that foolish, thirteen year old child I referenced earlier.<p> 5.) When I first began watching the show in late April, I quickly fell in love with the character of Katie because she had so many levels that were revealed in bits and pieces but were evident in her many different and in some cases wholly original reaction to situations. However, since this island thing began, she hasn't come across as multi-layered, or complicated or anything but a silly, naive, blind child. The coconut talking to was utterly hilarious at first, but having her turn it away when she undressed was stupid, not funny (and totally not Terri Conn's fault -- she is working with what she is being given). <p> The few comments like the one she made when she said, "I miss you so much, Simon, do you miss me at all?" reflect that there is an intelligent, adult and perceptive real person in the overall ridiculousness that her character has become ... however, they are way too brief and far between to at all balance out those wacky characteristics.<p> 6.) Let's not even get started on how this stupid island adventure has left Simon alone in Oakdale to provide that shoulder for Lily to cry upon without Katie there. Of course, if Katie was there -- we'd probably see her throwing temper tantrums. But with Holden's death, maybe not.<p> I don't know -- I just feel like the writers had an idea they didn't want to let go (the island satire) and unfortunately it is severely hurting the character of Katie. She is coming across as a stupid child and I hate that! Again, with the way they are writing her, the question does begin to beg itself: how can Simon fall for her seriously? And that is not a question that a fan of the couple should be asking ... but the writers are making me wonder.<p> JenniferH.<p> <hr><font size="-1"> <center> <a href="#katie2">Next Essay</a> | <a href="simon.html">Simon Essays</a> | <a href="katie.html">Katie Essays</a> | <a href="episodes.html">Episode Essays</a> | <a href="arcs.html">Storyline Arc Essays</a></font size></center> <hr> <p><center> <TABLE BORDER=0 CELLPADDING=0 CELLSPACING=0> <TR> <TD> <A HREF="index.html"> <IMG SRC="home.gif" WIDTH=57 HEIGHT=22 BORDER=0></A></TD> <TD> <A HREF="images.html"> <IMG SRC="images.gif" WIDTH=76 HEIGHT=22 BORDER=0></A></TD> <TD> <A HREF="media.html"> <IMG SRC="media.gif" WIDTH=155 HEIGHT=22 BORDER=0></A></TD> <TD> <A HREF="storyline.html"> <IMG SRC="story.gif" WIDTH=137 HEIGHT=22 BORDER=0></A></TD> <TD> <A HREF="press.html"> <IMG SRC="press.gif" WIDTH=45 HEIGHT=22 BORDER=0></A></TD> <TD> <A HREF="words.html"> <IMG SRC="words.gif" WIDTH=142 HEIGHT=22 BORDER=0></A></TD> <TD> <A HREF="links.html"> <IMG SRC="links.gif" WIDTH=46 HEIGHT=22 BORDER=0></A></TD> <TD> <A HREF="updates.html"> <IMG SRC="updates.gif" WIDTH=96 HEIGHT=22 BORDER=0></A></TD> </TR> </TABLE></center> </body> </html>