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By Alisia -- posted
on Other Beautiful
Things Message Board
Anyway, on to the subject of KnS and babies. Now, I have been thinking about this a little (and I usually don't like to analyze soaps very much despite the fact that I enjoy reading about it when others do) as a result of the fact that I saw the original Carrie post a little early. Despite my initial panic that we were heading back into babyland with Carrie (just kidding of course ... sorta) -- I actually began to wonder how it would play out.
I am firmly in the camp that says KnS should have a way to support this child before they even think about having a baby (though I don't think we're looking at a planned pregnancy if any). I totally agree with the school of thought that says if Terri and Paul were staying for years, waiting would be the best course of action. And, I think I would continue to enjoy KnS without kids. But, despite all of these very practical and real issues, I find myself responding to Jenn's "I want a KnS baby!" with a "Me too!!"
So, once again, all reason goes out the window.
I agree with Carrie that under normal circumstances I would want some sort of discussion, but this is KnS. They tend to discuss things after they become an issue. It's just the nature of the characters. They deal with what comes. For that reason, I am willing to forgo any sense of realism involved in this and enjoy watching them deal with the reality of Katie being pregnant. I think they would be shocked, I think they would panic, and then I think they'd be happy. I base this on no reference from the show or any disection of past scenes, but merely the idea that they are so totally in uncharted territory by virtue of being married/hapy/in love that what is one more new issue? Also, how many couples a really ready to be parents the moment they find out that they are pregnant? I think it's something you can deal with quite admirably even if you aren't really ready.
I think a pregnancy with these two would be hilarious and sweet, and quite frankly that sounds good to me. Baby name books and midnight cravings have a lot of potential. I think the show could remedy the money issues fairly quickly, and despite the fact that Katie managed to lose Lucy fairly quickly, I think they would be pretty good parents (especially given several months to get used to the idea).
I want a good reveal. I want discussions about the future. I want some resolution to the financial situation. But as long as the couple doesn't lose their charm and general wackiness (for lack of a better term) I think I would really enjoy a baby story and could overlook it if some of the traditional pieces of a baby storyline aren't there.
And a last note about the maturity issue. Yes, these two are rather unique day time characters in that they are spontaneous and fun and light. But I don't think that precludes being mature. Katie has her moments, but I think she would completely love their baby - and that's the first step right? As for Simon, I think given some time to get used to the idea, he too would be an adoring father. I would generally think that you'd have to be fairly mature to make a marriage work and they are doing pretty good with that. Basically, you can be fun and spontaneous and a little odd and still be good parents if the love is there, and with these two, it definitely is.
Alisia
By Carrie --
posted on Other
Beautiful Things Message Board
In fact, this may be the single most dangerous post in the history of this board. Those of you who were on the Mannyac Board (GL) in the Spring of ’00 are probably already terrified-and, in all likelihood, haven’t recovered from that experience yet. (Gah, has it really been TWO YEARS?) But fear not, I’m not going that nuts. Or really, I’m not going nuts at all. Bear with me here.
Hi, I’m Carrie. You’ve heard of girls who are boy-crazy? Well, I’m baby-crazy. Especially when it comes to my soap couples. And it’s in spite of myself, really-these things tend to turn out quite poorly for me, much to my chagrin. Sigh. But I have this tendency to decide that my couple, once together and married-though rarely in that order-should have a baby. (And once I decide this, I talk about nothing else until it happens-to the point of obsession.)
Thankfully-for all of you-I’m not at that point. (Yet.) But I’ve been reading whispers about babies on the main board, and the fic board, and heard them while talking to friends, and thus I’ve been thinking about it a bit. Oddly enough-and atypically, for me-I’ve found that Katie and Simon having a baby isn’t something that I can’t easily envision… and it’s taken me forever to figure out why.
In short, my problem with the baby scenario for KnS seems to lie with Simon-or, rather, what I feel his reaction would be to a pregnancy. Katie, being Katie, would probably be shocked but happy. But Simon’s much more of a wild card, and we haven’t seen anything to indicate that he wants kids, at all.
It might be worth taking a minute to step back here, and mention that for my other two most significant couples-AMC’s Tad and Dixie and GL’s Michelle (Joie Lenz version only) and Danny-having kids was something as inherent to the couple as was their loving each other. TnD, when I became a fan, already each had a child, and had discussed children, and therefore their having one together was easily envisioned. And for Manny, like KnS, the subject of children was raised (multiple times) before their marriage of convenience had even become real. (Although that was always in the hypothetical, as opposed to the more immediate sense in which it was raised in the KnS storyline.) Once they admitted they loved each other, kids were mentioned once a month-or more-sometimes in passing, sometimes being the subject of nearly an entire episode.
That discussion is something that we just haven’t had with Katie and Simon. Thus, as a viewer, I’m really left wondering if kids are something either or both of them want in their future. It can certainly be argued that it’s not something they’re looking for in the short-term… Katie laid out ‘their life in a year’ in the Christmas episode-a house, a dog, a car, money-and there was no mention of a child. While this doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s not something for further down the road, but it’s clearly not something that they’re planning for the near future. That’s ok; I think to have it be an immediate plan would only make both characters look like idiots-they’re not only broke, but both rather immature. And while this adds to their charm for me as a fan of the couple, it’s not something that makes me think that they’d make ideal parents at this time. When I look further down the road, I have no more of a clue than the show has given me… which is pretty close to nothing.
In saying, ‘close to nothing,’ I mean that the only indication we’ve had as to the feelings from either party comes from the faux-baby last February. I can’t imagine I’d be alone in completely disregarding Katie’s feelings and reactions, as they relate to future children, during that period, as she always knew that there wasn’t actually a baby. And as I said above, I doubt Katie would be upset by a pregnancy-initially, she’d be shocked but happy. For her, the practical would kick in later-or not at all. I think that’s just her personality… at her core, she’s an RCG girl like me, who chooses to see the best in life and ignore the negative. She was able to put a positive spin on a one-night stand, a green card marriage, living over a garage, being kidnapped… why would an unplanned pregnancy be any different? Katie, in her current form, practically makes an art form out of taking unexpected and unfavorable situations and making them pleasant. Simon, on the other hand, tends to be more of a realist, and no matter how much I want to, I just can’t see him being happy.
If we look again at that indication, last February, I think that Simon’s actions don’t carry much weight, either, because the situation then was so different than the situation now. Then, he was far from happy, but as a viewer, it was difficult to determine which portion of his unhappiness was moping over Lily, and which portion was unhappiness over his impending fatherhood. Nearly all of the concern he showed for the faux-baby seemed more obligatory than out of genuine concern/love. Certainly, he wasn’t heartbroken that there was no baby when the scenario was revealed as untrue; his anger was rooted in this being lied to rather than the lack of baby. Of course, that doesn’t mean that now-now that he’s in love with Katie, that their marriage is real, that they share a life-children aren’t a part of his (eventual) vision. Back when Katie ran off, he had a talk with Margo in which she mentioned “…a house and kids and a white picket fence, and possibly a dog and a bunny,” and he didn’t object. But other than that, there really hasn’t been any mention of their having children, and perhaps that’s why I’m not conditioned to picture it.
While I certainly don’t have a crystal ball, and don’t know for sure that they’ll do a baby storyline with them, I do know soaps… and know that, given the number of mentions I’ve seen from the fanbase, I think it’s a fair possibility. What I need, then, from ATWT, in the event that they do intend to make Katie pregnant and Simon happy about it, at some point, is just a bit of insight into his brain. As I said above, I think it’s inherent to Katie’s personality that she’d be happy about it, but for Simon… we really do need that bit of insight. And I mean just a bit-it really would only take one well-placed comment to let us know that, yes, he has thought about it, and he does want children… someday. The trick, of course, and the challenge for the show, is to not have this stick out-especially if it’s not intended as foreshadowing. And because it’s so rare to have a couple like Manny, who discuss kids all the time to no consequence, it’s very difficult to throw a random comment into a conversation without viewers going, “Whoa!” It’s possible, of course… but it is a challenge.
Maybe it’s just me, my tangled brain, and my propensity to overanalyze everything pertaining to my couples (but especially the whole ‘kids’ aspect,) I don’t know. I’m curious to see if I’m the only one who feels this way, or if perhaps there’s some giant flag that I’ve missed, a scene I haven’t seen, a comment I overlooked, that really indicates that oh yeah, this is something that both Katie and Simon would want, something that’s right for this couple. Because I really want to get behind a pregnancy, should one occur, but I’m unable to get excited when I’m worried that Simon won’t be happy. I’ve already been through one story where the Daddy-to-be was quite unhappy, and I can’t stand the thought of doing it again-especially with this couple, whose main appeal is their happiness and lightness. A pregnancy for them, written well, could be hilarious and adorable at the same time (and maybe, as one of the mags suggested, I could finally have a couple whose baby lives!!!!) But for it to be that way, I really think both parents-to-be have to be happy-excited, terrified, fine, but no brooding allowed! And, for me, it has to be believably.
But maybe it’s better that they keep all baby-related comments out of the script-at least for now, it seems to be keeping me sane. :)
Carrie
Read Alisia's Response
By Carrie and Various Posters
-- posted on Other
Beautiful Things Message Board
I’ve been really lax on my posting lately, but given that my last set of posts (a month or so ago) really ripped on Hogan, I figured I owed him a little apology and a head of praise. He’s stopped abusing his favorites :)
Really, things turned around right after the Lucy/car accident debacle, and the Valentines day episode. Simon has turned into an awesome romantic (sigh,) we’ve had exposition of his past, Dahlia’s reverted back to a small part of the storyline, and we’ve had not only a baby mention but the introduction of a house! And oh yeah, they’ve had airtime, too.
If I didn’t adore KnS already, the last few weeks would’ve done it. I’ve fallen head over heels in love with Simon, sigh! It’s so funny, last summer, as we were waiting for KnS to get together, I kept saying to Malynda how NICE they were going to be once they got together. But I never, in my wildest dreams, imagined they’d be like THIS!
If you look at Katie and Simon, as individual characters, they aren’t people you’d consider marriage material. Yet somehow, together, this marriage not only makes perfect sense, but it’s written as a really STRONG marriage! And, throughout the whole thing, the characters don’t lose their individual identities or personalities.
What may shock me more than anything, though, is that KnS are becoming domesticated-and it doesn’t feel out of place! On paper-and onscreen, excepting the last month-they’re not the type of couple who would be believable as wanting to live in a little cottage hidden away in the woods. Yet somehow, it works… It’s such a testament to the versatility of the characters, the care in the writing, and the excellence of the actors.
And-though we’ve always known this-they’ve managed to hit light and dark, plotty and fluffy, and every imaginable point in between, without missing a beat. I’m constantly amazed at what can be done with this couple-often in the course of one episode. They’re so easy to adore-when the writers take the time to pen out the small, coupley moments, the inane discussions with Dahlia don’t seem so bad. Especially when Katie stands up for herself-and her marriage-as she did on Wednesday.
I just love the heightened sense of romanticism Simon’s had lately. Not that the wedding wasn’t romantic enough, but somewhere in between his saying the only living things he could ever love as much as her would be their kids (hello!) and comparing falling for her to buying a house (which sounds so pathetic, but worked BEAUTIFULLY-it’s now one of my favorite scenes ever) this guy has won me over like he never had before. I’ll admit it, the baby mention started it, LOL, but it’s how he is with her EVERY DAY that really gets me. What ever possessed Lily to give this up?
*Ahem.*
And on that slightly catty note (LOL,) I guess I’ll wrap this up. Just felt the need to spread a little KnS-love, between the lack of ATWT and my mixed mood over the past couple days. But Wednesday night, as I was pondering, I came back to the fact that despite the offscreen stuff, onscreen, I really DO adore this couple-and I need nothing more than them. It’s funny, some friends (who know who they are) have been trying to get me into another couple-not take me away from KnS, just add to the addiction, I guess-and I’m not taking to them so much… and I think it’s because I just don’t need anything more than what I get with KnS. I’m so content it’s not even funny. LOL.
Really, honestly, wrapping this up. KnS rock, and that’s that!
Theresa ...
I thought I was the only person who absolutely adored the scene where Simon compared buying a house to falling in love with Katie. And you're right if you didn't see the actual scene and only saw it on paper, it would sound pathetic, but because of the way PL delivered those lines, it worked on every level. It is definitely right up there with some of my favorite scenes.
As for that house, well I can't wait until they start to fix it up. I just hope that when it comes time to rewire the house, Katie makes Simon hire a professional electrician or at the very least has some of her firemen friends on call because the last time Simon tried to do electrical work, let's just say he was less than successful. LOL.
Kim ...
I loved the scenes where Simon was comparing Katie to the cottage. I loved it when he said that the real estate agent was right about buying a house is like falling in love. He didn't fall in love with Katie overnight. He fell in love with her over time and he does know what makes her tick and how her tangled brain works.
I don't think any of these scenes would have worked if it had not been for Terri and Paul. They would have fallen flat in the hands of less capable actors. Paul and Terri are what makes Katie and Simon work. They bring individuality to the characters and bringing them together as a couple is amazing.
I would have never thought to put the two of them together when I first started watching the show. Like Carrie said, they didn't seem like marriage material. For some reason, the marriage works and is probably one of the strongest marriages I have seen on a soap opera. They understand each other and don't judge one another and I think that comes across on the screen. That is why Ed won't win and why they will still be together in the end.
I think it helps that this story is finally moving forward and Hogan is delving more into Simon's past. I am glad they are getting way more airtime then they have the last couple of months. Plus, not as much Dahlia on the show is working for me.
Carrie and Various Posters
By Kavi -- posted on
Other Beautiful
Things Message Board
Enjoy!
1) They are truly, madly, deeply and completely in love with each other!
2) Katie gave Simon something real to believe in. Simon gave Katie his heart.
3) They fit together like they were made for each other.
4) They are Best Friends.
5) They made each other’s lives better. Simon cared about Katie like no one else bothered to do, and Katie showed Simon how to find the joy in life.
6) They are and have always been protective of one another.
7) They accept one another exactly as they are.
8) They forgive one another.
9) They never try to change one another yet they have both changed for the better.
10) They can’t imagine life without the each other.
11) They both have a past and skeletons in the closet, so they don’t judge each other.
12) Simon understands Katie better than anybody else. Of course that doesn’t mean he understands her very well!
13) Separately they are each TOO impulsive, but somehow they ground one another, and they become just impulsive enough.
14) They don't dwell on the past, they just move on.
15) They stick together through everything, even when they think they don’t want to! (i.e. Simon rescues Katie from the Island)
16) They will never get tired of or bored with one another.
17) They are adventurous and can take risks together. Which means …
18) They see the humor in life and enjoy it together. Who else could have good time while being held hostage?
19) Warning--Superficial Thought Ahead: They look good together!
20) Simon and Katie thrive on competition, and they love competing with one another. Can anyone say "Bet"?
Kavi
By Theresa --
posted on Other
Beautiful Things Message Board
While I agree with everyone that the actors have amazing chemistry together, I guess for me the biggest reason I love Simon and Katie as a couple is because it made me love Simon and Katie as individual characters.
I have to be honest, I really couldn't stand either character before. I have watched ATWT for years and when Katie first appeared she made no real impression. The character was all over the place, one minute she was a goody-two shoes like Margo, the next she was a schemer like Emily and there seemed to be no real motivation for any of Katie's actions. I truly believe TPTB at the time had no idea what to do with the character either. Likewise when Simon first appeared, I had pretty much the same reaction. Oh I admit he was cute, but as soon as he appeared at Lily's door, I could see where the storyline was going. Lily's bored and here comes a new guy, so I was going to be subjected to months of watching Lily jump back and forth between two guys. Been there, done that way too many times to count and I had no interest is watching it again. So I basically tuned out both characters.
Then came the scene between Katie and Simon at the Lakeview Bar. Katie is pining for Holden and Simon is moping about Lily. It was just a throwaway scene, but it piqued my interest. I envisioned those two as partners in crime trying to break up true loves Holden and Lily and since I have no love lost for Ms. Snyder, I began to develop a certain fondness for the idea. Now, I didn't suddenly become a instant fan of the characters, but I was momentarily intrigued. Fast forward a few weeks to Craig's Halloween bash. Simon declares himself to Lily and gets shot down. Katie doesn't even get into the party. The two go off together to drink away their sorrows and then the next thing I know they are doing the horizontal mambo in the backseat of a car. Wow talk about unexpected, I never would have predicted that scenario, but I liked it. Hmm, it seemed this story and the characters were finally getting interesting. Then Simon and Katie decide to get married so he can stay in the country and after that hilarious wedding, I knew I was well and truly hooked and not just on the potential pairing of Simon and Katie, but for the first time I was actually hooked on Simon and Katie as individual characters. They were fun and fun is good. It makes such a pleasant change from angst and drama all the time.
Since then my admiration and love for the couple has grown with every scene. I really believe that this couple can do it all. The humor and lighthearted moments are equally balanced with the touching and heartbreaking without becoming too sappy or repetitive. I actually find myself anxiously anticipating where the writers will take these two next. Oh sure, I moan and complain because I get impatient that things aren't happening as quickly as I like, but honestly I wouldn't have it any other way. Katie and Simon are truly one of the best soap couples I have ever seen.
Theresa
By Amy -- posted on Other Beautiful
Things Message Board
The storyline and such fits very well with the characters too. It's believable to me that they could fall for each other. They both are coming from the same place (town reject) and have each other to lean on and understand one another. Not to mention Katie's undeniable ability to get that beautiful man to smile and his wonderful ability to protect and defend and stand by her when others (namely her family) won't.
I started rooting for them because I HATED the Simon/Lily storyline. I didn't think Lily deserved Simon and she treated him so horribly. At that point I would have settled for any match up that would get these two characters to go separate ways. But then I couldn't tear my eyes away from how beautiful this new couple was. They were funny, sassy, sexy, unusual, etc... They had an appeal to one who was bored with the usual daytime couples.
I have had a blast watching these two grow closer to one another over the last few months. I don't believe Katie really loved Simon right away. It was more of an infatuation like she had with Holden and it was just a way to forget about the horrendous scene at the Endicott's. But as time went on and she really got to know Simon (and he her) I saw develop real feelings for him.
I love the chemistry the actors have with each other. The way they look at each other makes me melt. It adds something to the whole dynamic of the couple when the actors make it look so natural. Terri Conn and Paul Leyden ROCK!! I don't see how the pairing of KnS could have ever really completely won me over if it weren't for them.
There are a million other reasons but I won't get into them cuz this post would never end. But I can't wait for them to get together wholly, as a real, true, honest couple. You know Halloween has always been my favorite holiday. This one will be extra special.
Amy
By Carrie -- posted on Other Beautiful
Things Message Board
What? That doesn't sound like Katie and Simon? Hmmm…
Nope, sure doesn't. And THAT is what I love about them! They're like no other couple I've fallen for before. She's a vixen, half the town hates him, they're far from upstanding citizens—and they know it! But I wouldn't have it any other way. Their willingness to flaunt convention and ignore the sensibilities of everyone around them absolutely makes the couple.
I love marriages of convenience. I don't recall having mentioned that lately, though I know I did pretty often in the early days of the board, but I do. I love watching the unsuspecting couple—married for a green card, for money, so that one doesn't have to kill the other—go from being bitter enemies, or barely friends, to these people who simply wouldn't know what to do if the other wasn't around. I've loved seeing that with Katie and Simon—even though they'd been married for several months before I started watching, the real progress didn't start until just before my tune-in date, and so I've been able to watch Simon fall harder and harder for Katie.
When I started watching, I wasn't sure Katie was really in love with Simon—honest, you can look back and find the post back near the beginning of the board. I loved seeing Katie prove to me that she does—from the silly, like diamond-diving, to the serious, like being willing to sleep with Cooley (ew!). And now, there isn't a doubt in my mind—well, watching her kiss another guy certainly doesn't thrill me, but I hold tight to the spoilers and realize that this is just a detour on the road to, um, a certain Holiday encounter.
Even more fun than that, for me, though, from a couple perspective, has been watching Simon react to Katie. I love seeing him not know what to do with her, I love watching him learn which buttons he can push—and those he better not touch—and I love watching him realize that he's fallen for her, and grudgingly admit that his little fake marriage isn't so terrible after all. I don't mind seeing the constant denials—they're the spice of soap life—and although I could live with a touch less Lily, I know where his heart really lies, and that's with Katie.
And finally, I love how this couple seems to be winning over folks everywhere. (Ok, almost everywhere.) From the Internet boards, to the mags, to TPTB at the studio, it seems that everywhere you turn you can find someone saying, "Yeah, I like this duo!" I love how people used to dislike both couple halves… yet now that they're together, they find themselves inexplicably drawn towards them. I love how the headwriter, actor, and actress involved all seem to be rooting for this couple. I love the fact that the mags are pushing them. I love the fact that we're finally getting some new photo shoots!
And last, but defiNETly not least, I love that their headwriter seems to understand the concept of payoff. He seems to go along with Agnes Nixon's infamous "make 'em wait" comment, but he seems to get something that she forgot—if you make 'em wait too long, they'll give up. He's stretched us to our breaking point—but now we're springing back the other direction, to head towards that wonderful place where your couple finally gets it all right, the words are there, the emotion is there, and the opportunity is there… but only after three dozen missed opportunities. I love that Katie and Simon are, plain and simple, good soap.
Carrie
By JenniferH. &
Alisia -- posted on Other Beautiful
Things Message Board
The island-rescue kiss was way, way, waaaaaaay longer, was more unexpected I think (especially in that it came from Simon completely despite the dialogue that later contradicted that). The first part of the island kiss was good and when it came back from commerical it was really, really good. However, once it cut from them to Henry/Cooley and then back to them still kissing, the ooh la la nature of the kiss was pretty much gone because it was obvious (although very amusing to me) that Paul Leyden and Terri Conn were just kinda standing there putting as little effort as possible into the last portion of the kiss because they were waiting for their cue to break apart for Don Chastain (Cooley) to run at Simon.
Uhm, I don't know, I would have to go with yesterday's kiss simply because as much as I do love the island kiss, except for the first few seconds it was more played for humor than anything else (although, it was HOT!), whereas yesterday's kiss was full of passion and longing and love.
I'm not sure which KnS kiss is my all-time favorite -- these two are definitely in the running, but I love Safari Sam, the kisses-in-bed-before-Rose-shows-up; the I'll-come-back-in-one-piece kiss; the after-the-cuffs-Katie-you're-a-genius kiss (because it was one of the first times where Simon didn't think before he kissed her); and the it-will-always-be-good-for-us kiss. I think my favorite changes about once a day.
The reason I loved the island kiss so much is that I didn't see it coming. I know others have referred to the surprise, but I could not believe it was happening or that Simon initiated it. This was the first KnS kiss I saw that wasn't a flash back (except for Carrie's wonderful vid files) and it totally blew me away. It was hot and angry and sweet and humourous all at once. I also loved their reactions. And, it was longer (yes, I admit it, I'm shallow like that).
Wednesday's kiss was totally different in my opinion. I expected something to happen - so the surprise factor wasn't there. Though, the way they dived at each other, the way he held her, and the longing and relief in both of them was amazing to watch. (Is there anything these two cannot do?) I hated that Bruno came in. I would have liked to see how the two would have reacted after the kiss if they had been alone.
On top of that, I was so excited to see any interaction between the two after Simon finally admitted (even if it wasn't to Katie) that he loved her and Katie lit up seeing Simon at the wedding. I was grateful they even got a few minutes together. I think I liked the "tell me that you came back for me" almost as much as the kiss. The clincher though, was Simon's reaction after the kiss. He held on to her, defended her from Bruno, and looked totally lost when she left.
I was a member of the club that wanted to see Simon suffer for a while, but after seeing him Wednesday, I take it back.
So, I suppose the short answer is that I liked the actual kiss on the island better (though it's a close call), but I loved the whole situation on Wednesday.
JenniferH. & Alisia
By JenniferH. -- posted on Other Beautiful
Things Message Board
So given those similarities, I think it's really interesting that we are seeing the same story played out essentially and I'm truly hoping that that parallel comes up. I want Katie to ask Bruno (or maybe even Rose if she ever talks to her about him) how Bruno can want her when she has made it perfectly clear she is in love with someone else, and have that person say, 'well, Katie, that's exactly what you did and lookee, Simon fell for you. How come the same thing can't happen with you and Bruno?'
And then the distinction can be explained ... why Simon did fall for Katie, while Katie won't fall for Bruno. And it is clear why: Although Katie had ulterior motives with Simon, the bottom-line is that she wanted to help him and they had already established a relationship prior to the marriage. (I still say that Simon taking Katie in despite knowing how much Lily despised her said a lot.) And when she saw how hurt Simon was when he lost Lily, she regretted her actions (ie, the fake pregnancy) and once he found out about those actions she promised to never lie or come on to him again (and she kept those promises really).
Furthermore, Katie truly loved Simon and Simon truly cared about Katie all along, with the Katie/Bruno situation, Bruno sees Katie as a possession (albeit one he obviously really wants a lot) and Katie not only does not care about Bruno, she doesn't even know him and the more of him she does get to know, the more she doesn't like him.
So, it's ironic I think that Katie is in the rather same situation she was last year with Simon and Lily, but there are those little differences that made it so clear why Simon/Lily wouldn't last, why Simon would fall for Katie and why it will never happen with Katie and Bruno.
JenniferH.
By Molly -- reposted on Other Beautiful
Things Message Board
The first meeting ... Who knew what this encounter would led to?
Katie: Another cognac for my friend? It's on me. And, no. You don't
really know me. But I know you. And a very wise man recently told me that cognac
is the perfect drink for people in our shoes.
Simon: Our shoes? What
do you mean?
Katie: Well, like I said, I know who you are. And you
and I have a lot more in common than you realize.
Simon is finally starting to soften toward his wife!
Simon: You mean no man has ever wanted to sit down and just listen
to you for hours, in love with the sound of your voice, hanging on every word,
wanting every detail about you?
Katie: No.
Simon: Well,
you deserve that
Van Morrison's Crazy Love
Simon: Do I have to answer that? Do I? All right. Maybe in some -- some very small, guilty, loosely defined way, I do love you.
Katie: You might as well face it, Simon, with every day that passes, I only love you more.
Katie: All I want to say to you before you walk out that door is the only time I've ever seen a smile on your face was when you were with me. Of course, it's usually because I did something stupid, but you have to admit, any fun you've had in the last few months, you have me to thank for. So go ahead, I'm waiting.
Katie: You're gonna leave town.
Simon: I left town, and
you followed me.
Katie: And I left town, and you followed
me.
Simon: Hmm. Yeah. So I guess we're stuck with each other for the
time being.
Katie: For the time being? Forever.
Simon: The honeymoon suite?
Katie: Three days -- minimum.
Simon: We're gonna be sending out for oxygen, aren't we?
The beginnings of a beautiful relationship and one of the most unique yet BEST soap weddings to date!
Katie: Um, okay -- I, Katie, take you, Simon, to be my lawfully
wedded husband. To have and to hold, to love and cherish, through sickness and
health. For richer or poorer -- through rain, snow, sleet, hail and the darkness
of night. Till death do we part, I do. Your turn.
Simon: Okay, I,
Simon, take you, Katie, in richness and poorness. And all the other beautiful
things that you just said. Righto, ditto, right back at you -- um -- yada, yada,
yada -- amen, hallelujah and I do. I do, okay. Is that okay?
Judge: I
now pronounce you man and wife. Do you think you can spare the time to kiss the
bride?
Katie: That's your cue, honey.
Simon: Hey, you're
too late, guys. I'm already married.
Halliwell: Congratulations --
but I wouldn't start throwing the rice just yet.
[Katie fire extinguishing Ruby] led to an interesting and sweet conversation.
Simon: I know, you were being yourself, and I must admit, I loved every minute of it.
Their first love scene was far from the satin sheets and candlelight of most couples. But then again KnS were hardly the norm!
Simon: It's -- it's -- okay. Losing your virginity, you know, for
the first time -- it's a special occasion, you know? It should be with someone
that you really care about.
Katie: I do really care about you. I
mean, I can talk to you. And you're the first guy that I've ever met that
actually listens.
Simon: But how many conversations have we had?
What, two? Two? And you'd been drinking. Katie: So, I'm old enough to
drink.
Simon: Yeah, but you don't deserve to lose your virginity in
the backseat of a car with a complete stranger.
WHAT A COUPLE!!!!!!!!! I look forward to many MANY more years of this beloved Oakdale couple!
Molly
By JenniferH. --posted on Other Beautiful
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I can't even say how refreshing this quote was to read… it's a head writer who's willing to do the hard thing, to get the couple to where THEY need to be. It's character-driven. It's pre-planned—he's been thinking on it for a year!
Agreed. I honestly don't give two figs about the Jack/Carly story simply because Jack so beyond does nothing for me, but when I read that article, I almost wished I was a Jack/Carly fan just because the head writer saw what had to be done and was willing to do it. Remember, Sheffer was handed the Julia/Jack story and when Carly came back, her return had to be accomadated. So, he began laying the groundwork (much to the dismay of Jack/Julia fans, true -- but at least he LAID the groundwork and it didn't just happen, for her insanity and reunion of Jack/Carly) and now he's following through all the way. I sincerely do believe that Hogan Sheffer is a godsend to the soap world and any ATWT fan who doesn't see that, simply does not truly appreciate good soap opera.
He's going to do what's right by the COUPLE, do the hard thing, to make them a stronger couple, to get them to where they should be, to solidify their relationship.
Just brilliant and what makes love stories truly work.
In exactly the same way—he's going to do what's right by the COUPLE, do the hard thing, to make them a stronger couple, to get them to where they should be, to solidify their relationship. The next couple months aren't going to be fun—but they're going to be GOOD.
Agreed. And a small point about one aspect of what will be good (if not, most definitely not, fun). I know that there are quite a few people here who haven't seen KnS earlier than April and in some cases, May, June and July -- I was one of those who ordered JulieDiane's tapes and I was blown away by certain scenes and not because of anything directly KnS-related.
1.) They only had ONE real fight. (And surprisingly enough, it wasn't the "Simon finds out Katie isn't pregnant" one. That was kind of a bad argument, if even. Very low-key. Unimpressive writing and direction, but I digress ....) Their one real fight was when Katie found out that Lily was on the honeymoon with them and that Simon had lied to her and made a fool of her, and Lily being there also jeopardized the appearance of their marriage being real. Phew! Anyway, the fight began in their little garage apartment and continued somewhat in the INS office after the agent had left. And let me tell you, it was a doozy. Seeing Katie honestly angry was a sight to behold and Terri Conn was fabulous -- the energy that was bouncing around that room in those scenes between her and Leyden was just electric.
The point I'm trying to make is that it looks like we may get some genuine, honest-to-goodness fights and these two can really do them, so we'll definitely have GOOD soap opera. And honestly, I think these two NEED to have a knock-em-down, drag-em-out fight. They have been skirting around issues and backing away from admittance of certain feelings in regards to certain things for so long that they need to start stating the cold, hard truth.
2.) I admit that until I got these tapes, I thought that Paul Leyden was a decent actor who could be good on some occasions. I was wrong. After seeing his devastation in certain scenes (yeah, they had to do with Lily, but still ....) I was blown away. The guy can ACT! Uh, just wanted to add that little bit cuz we praise Terri so much (not that she doesn't totally deserve it) that I like to throw in some non-gutter-related praise for Paul every now and then. Okay, moving along.
So this upcoming story, do I think it's gonna be fun? No, of course not. I'm not looking forward to the dirty dancing, or the grape crushing—I have this mental image in my head of Katie, dressed in a clingy pink dress, and Bruno, dressed in a full Ray getup, dirty dancing in GL's 'Millennium' set…
Gawd, yes -- it's not just me!!!
and it makes me alternate from feeling as if I'm going to lose my lunch to laughing hysterically. And the grape crushing… those mental pictures, I find even more repulsing.
Actually, I haven't found the mental grape-crushing scenes that terrible, uh, should I?
The thing is, when I read that Katie would be talking to coconuts, and burying Cooley in the sand, I thought it was going to be the stupidest thing *ever.* Yet thanks to the always fabulous Terri Conn, the awesome ATWT writing staff, and the super supporting acting of Trent Dawson and Don Chastain, it didn't seem stupid at all.
Yup, was cringing in anticipation, but as I've told certain people, when Katie first had her coco-Simon scene I literally almost fell out of my chair I was laughing so hard -- and in a good way. I was supposed to laugh.
And with the upcoming? Terri's still there,
Yay! Excuse me while I do a mini-celebration!!! Terri's still there!!! Ahem, sorry ... back to the post.
the writing staff is still there and her 'support,' Jamie Passar, IS good. He CAN act. He IS a charmer. He DOES have the capability to have chemistry with actresses… there was a whole fan contingent formed around the chemistry with an actress in like two scenes, last fanbase around.
Yup. I like Jaime Passar. I sincerely hope that this doesn't make me dislike Jaime Passar.
I'm not worried that Katie will sleep with Bruno. I'm just not.
I'm not either. I just can not see it happening and being even remotely within the realm of Katie's character. You can say, yeah she's horny little nympho -- but it's pretty clear that the horniness is reserved for her hubby. It better be.
The point of my post is that Sheffer nails his couples—and it would NOT make sense for Katie to sleep with Bruno. *Especially* because so much of the crucial relationship development would have to occur offscreen
Yup! That's similar to what I responded to in another post. In fact, I'm gonna cheat and steal that bit for here cuz there's a bit more in this post to go through. So, here goes ... I do believe that KnS will be the couple to root for here and if Katie is getting all hot and bothered over this other guy who adores her then, well, honestly, what reason would there be to root for Katie and the JBE?
We need to see Simon realizing his feelings and Katie stuck between not completely believing him, really making him fight for it. I just don't think that this will be even remotely a "true" triangle, much like Katie/Simon/Lily was not a true triangle when they first got married. Katie was nothing more than an obstacle at that point and there were no "couple" signs between her and Simon pretty much at all!
I think it will be the same with Bruno -- differently played out of course, but still I doubt we'll have a true triangle. That would not be in character for Katie (if the writers want us to believe that she really and truly loves Simon) and it would not create rooting value for the pairing of KnS, which I think the goal is. No, I believe that Bruno is merely an obstacle to get Simon to realize his feelings ... and let Katie leave town a bit so that Terri can go have her honeymoon.
Katie's not above making Simon jealous—remember how she tried to make it look like she was running off with some dashing boyfriend to the island, until Simon found out it was Henry? And even if it's subconscious this time, I think some of that desire's still there. He may say he's not jealous—but he always says that, and she always knows the truth. With Safari Sam, with Henry, with the Inspector Clouseau guy… and I think, eventually, no matter how hurt she is, she'll come to realize that with Bruno it's the same.
Yeah, I think you're right. And I agree, it will be subconscious for the most part, unless ..... Simon is as obvious as usual in regards to his jealousy over Bruno (after all, this will be the first time it's actually the real deal) then Katie's anger and frustration will come from the fact that she knows that Simon is jealous and the hurt comes because he just can not admit it ... because admitting it will mean that he actually cares. (And yeah, that sentence was waaay too long. Sue me.) In that case, there will be much more than just the subconscious, but Katie actively using this guy for her own ends -- which wouldn't bother me. I kinda like BadKatie! I think Simon gets a kick out of her too.
The episodes lately have portrayed Katie and Simon as couple-friends to Lily and Holden… you know, in real-life couples hang out with other couples… friends all around.
Oh, lordy, I just got horrific flashbacks of Danny & Michelle and Drew & Jesse hanging out! Oy vey!
And Simon and Lily's connection? Probably played up a bit in recent episodes due to the contract issue. IF Terri had left, where would they have had to go with Simon but back to Lily? Now that she's staying, they can put the Silly, Silly lust story to rest once and for all.
Thank YOU! Since Terri's re-signing announcement, I've actually stopped explaining certain storyline factors in the "if Terri doesn't re-sign" mode. And so I was angst-ing, why are they building up the Simon/Lily connection again? But you're absolutely right. This was obviously filmed before Terri had re-signed and so TPTB HAD to keep that "connection" between Simon/Lily alive just in case Terri didn't re-sign, because honestly, what else would they do with Simon? And as I've stated in the past, there is no way that any soap in their right mind would leave someone as gorgeous, as popular, as appealing as Simon/Paul Leyden and so obviously the hunk of the show sitting on the backburner for months while they tried to come up with a story for him. So, if Terri didn't re-sign, they would have been all but FORCED to re-create the Simon/Lily/Holden triangle.
Thank GOD Terri re-signed!!!
And semi but not really following on above, I do believe that's all it was—a lust story. Two people stuck on an island, gonna die, whatever. This actually struck me in watching Friday's show… as Simon defined marriage to Katie. He defined marriage as two things—attraction and sex. And it struck me, that's probably how he defines love.
Can I just pause to say that you're brilliant? Absolutely brilliant. There's a reason I drag you along with all of my couples. Carrie you so just nailed it. Simon doesn't know what love is! It's lust, it's angst ... not friendship, or joy, or humor or the little things that make a relationship really work. The guy has no clue.
And that's probably what he felt for Lily… though I must admit I love the fact they never got to the sex. Teehee.
Me too. Shared teehee.
So, in his mind (must say, I think his brain is just as tangled as Katie's,)
It is -- they sooo are a perfect fit.
to recap, you wrote: So, in his mind to have sex with Katie, would be to admit he loves her. I think. Now I'm confusing myself. :P
Nope, again, makes perfect sense. That's it. And kinda summarizes what Katie said -- he knows that when they make love it's all gonna come together and he's gonna realize, 'wow, this is it. This is love.'
Nowhere in that marriage definition did friendship come in… nowhere did humor, or fun, come in… nowhere did LOVE come in.
Yup. Some expert on marriage.
Not real, true, selfless love… the kind Katie's shown for Simon. And the kind he feels for her. But he probably doesn't recognize it as love… because he's never truly felt it before.
Yup. Some expert on love.
He married his other wives for two reasons—lust and money. Katie has neither… er, had neither when he married her. Now, I do believe there's lust there now :) but there's still no money. You take away the sex, you take away the money, and you add love… and this 'marriage' business, Simon may've done it five times, but this is the first time it's been anywhere near the way it's supposed to be.
Yup. Some expert on love and marriage.
When you add to the unfamiliar—the fun, the friendship, the love—to the familiar—the sex, and hopefully at some point the money—there's a more traditional definition (by soap standards) a marriage. I think Simon needs to realize the unfamiliar before he can accept the familiar… and realize that his marriage to Katie, that's the real thing. And that's a marriage that's going to last.
I think he may sorta, maybe, kinda realize it subconsciously and that's where some of the fear factor comes in.
One last thing, completely unrelated to the rest, to throw in, about Simon's viewpoint, and I believe another reason to know that Katie and Simon will be together in the long run. In watching the same Friday episode, Simon uttered one line that stuck out to me more than even the marriage thing… and that was, "It will always, always be good for us." And he said it without thinking, without calculating, his mind was elsewhere (on his 'escape,') but it's what he truly feels. He's said many times before—including the cross scenes—that this is a 'for now,' that it's one day at a time, yet he refers to 'always.' And though he told Katie, in the almost-sex scenes, that 'us' was a figment of her imagination, he certainly refers to 'us' enough—not only in those Friday scenes, but even in the plane, on the way back from the island. "Because we're good together." "That too." And they are, and they both know it. They know it, we know it, and Sheffer knows it. He just has to get them to where they need to be before we can see it, full-time.
Yup, he said always. And it was in a fun, sweet, carefree moment. He wasn't thinking, he wasn't calculating, he was just in the moment with his wife and he said "always." These couple of months are gonna be rough, but it is necessary. I would love for Simon to just wake up and get it, but he won't, he can't. For all of the reasons you listed, and one more -- he tried the love thing (or at least what he thought was love) and he got hurt badly, very, very badly. He doesn't want to risk it again. And you add that on top of everything else and it just makes me wonder how people can say this couple has no depth.
No depth? These two together and separately have got layer upon layer to spare. They are both and, again, together, like onions ... and Hogan is just peeling away away each thin layer bit by bit and eventually, eventually we're gonna get to the heart.
JenniferH.
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Carrie --posted on Other Beautiful
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And by spoilers, they're not just KnS spoilers, but there are some Jack and Carly spoilers in here… you'll see what I mean as I continue on.
In reading the newest Soap Opera Digest yesterday (gosh it sucks not to get the mags on Friday anymore) dated August 28th, there was a quote by Hogan Sheffer, about Jack and Carly. This quote really stuck out for me—really said something to me about how he approaches his couples. Quote follows:
"It was important for us, ultimately, to wear Jack and Carly down to the point where they can walk away from this, at least tentatively thinking, 'We'll revisit this later… maybe.' I have felt for a year that we really need to start working on Jack because we had him trapped between two women for so long, and try to get back to the essence of Jack and Carly. And for me, it's important to find it and not just say, 'Jack and Carly belong together, so here they are.' Too much has happened to both of them. Some of it good, some of it bad, some of it dramatically intelligent, some of it not so. But you can't ignore it, or the fact that they're a different couple now than they were three years ago."
I can't even say how refreshing this quote was to read… it's a head writer who's willing to do the hard thing, to get the couple to where THEY need to be. It's character-driven. It's pre-planned—he's been thinking on it for a year! I can recall a situation very near and dear to my heart where a head writer came in and did the hard thing… but with no pre-planning, and with no follow-through. And in the end, it ended up being, 'Said characters belong together, so here they are.' But Sheffer? Clearly, he's putting all kinds of time and thought into this—and in the end, as he said elsewhere, "Carly's heart will always belong to Jack, and the story, in the long run, is going to prove that." He's going to do what's right by the COUPLE, do the hard thing, to make them a stronger couple, to get them to where they should be, to solidify their relationship.
And just in case my thought pattern (some days, I swear my brain's just as tangled as Katie's) isn't clear here, how does this apply to KnS? In exactly the same way—he's going to do what's right by the COUPLE, do the hard thing, to make them a stronger couple, to get them to where they should be, to solidify their relationship. The next couple months aren't going to be fun—but they're going to be GOOD. If I could only say one thing about ATWT right now, I'd say it's GOOD SOAP. I've seen flashes of it here, glimmers of it there, on other shows, but this show is tightly woven, every moment thought through, everything done for a reason, every episode. Filler moves the story ahead, stories that disappear from the canvas for days have acknowledgment of passed time when they reconvene. Somehow, I was able to root for every couple in the Sierra-Craig-Carly-Jack-Julia mess—and simultaneously, at that. (And let it be known that though I previously had NO affinity for Jack and Carly, I find myself being drawn into that story… simply from a soap drama standpoint.)
Uh, I've gotten lost in an ATWT gush. Anyhow, I simply LOVE how this story's been done so far—I've not been disappointed once. "Katie and Simon get closer; Katie and Simon get physical"—did anyone dream we'd get what we got with those? I can come with rational explanations for pretty much every facet of the story, from why Simon and Lily still have a 'connection' to why in the world Father Ray and Mrs. Silva are in Katie and Simon's story. (Okay, so I don't for the second one—is Alden Heath next?)
So this upcoming story, do I think it's gonna be fun? No, of course not. I'm not looking forward to the dirty dancing, or the grape crushing—I have this mental image in my head of Katie, dressed in a clingy pink dress, and Bruno, dressed in a full Ray getup, dirty dancing in GL's 'Millennium' set… and it makes me alternate from feeling as if I'm going to lose my lunch to laughing hysterically. And the grape crushing… those mental pictures, I find even more repulsing.
The thing is, when I read that Katie would be talking to coconuts, and burying Cooley in the sand, I thought it was going to be the stupidest thing *ever.* Yet thanks to the always fabulous Terri Conn, the awesome ATWT writing staff, and the super supporting acting of Trent Dawson and Don Chastain, it didn't seem stupid at all. And with the upcoming? Terri's still there, the writing staff is still there (wait—I don't think I've *ever* been able to say that before, holy cow batman!!!) and her 'support,' Jamie Passar, IS good. He CAN act. He IS a charmer. He DOES have the capability to have chemistry with actresses… there was a whole fan contingent formed around the chemistry with an actress in like two scenes, last fanbase around.
I'm not worried that Katie will sleep with Bruno. I'm just not. The point of my post is that Sheffer nails his couples—and it would NOT make sense for Katie to sleep with Bruno. *Especially* because so much of the crucial relationship development would have to occur offscreen… because we know Terri's going to be offscreen for probably close to a month. Even in the "worst-case" scenario, if they pre-tape… she'd air once, at MOST (and that's a major stretch) twice a week… for 3 or 4 weeks… that's 6-8 episodes, after they leave town, for a relationship to develop. It's not Sheffer's MO… look how long Craig's been brewing as an obstacle for Jack and Carly? Practically forever. Sheffer's one to take things slowly… and do what's best for the couple. Katie's not above making Simon jealous—remember how she tried to make it look like she was running off with some dashing boyfriend to the island, until Simon found out it was Henry? And even if it's subconscious this time, I think some of that desire's still there. He may say he's not jealous—but he always says that, and she always knows the truth. With Safari Sam, with Henry, with the Inspector Clouseau guy… and I think, eventually, no matter how hurt she is, she'll come to realize that with Bruno it's the same.
Hey, I'm not even worried about Lily's involvement with Simon when Katie's on the island. For two reasons—first of all, she will have just lost her son, so I doubt she'll be too willing to offer a shoulder for Simon. And I doubt he'll be in a state to offer his to her (even if he is, why, when she has Holden? Unless she and Holden pull apart?) But let's say, in the unlikely instance that Simon DOES cry on Lily's shoulder… what's the theme going to be? Lily's gonna tell him to go after her. Lily's MO with KnS lately has been, "I don't know why, but you have feelings for her, so go get her." The episodes lately have portrayed Katie and Simon as couple-friends to Lily and Holden… you know, in real-life couples hang out with other couples… friends all around. Lily and Katie may not be best buds, but they're getting to a much more amicable point. And Simon and Lily's connection? Probably played up a bit in recent episodes due to the contract issue. IF Terri had left, where would they have had to go with Simon but back to Lily? Now that she's staying, they can put the Silly, Silly lust story to rest once and for all.
And semi but not really following on above, I do believe that's all it was—a lust story. Two people stuck on an island, gonna die, whatever. No more than Philip and Beth's tryst in the plane a year or two ago on Guiding Light… but wrong soap, I digress. This actually struck me in watching Friday's show… as Simon defined marriage to Katie. He defined marriage as two things—attraction and sex. And it struck me, that's probably how he defines love. And that's probably what he felt for Lily… though I must admit I love the fact they never got to the sex. Teehee. So, in his mind (must say, I think his brain is just as tangled as Katie's,) to have sex with Katie, would be to admit he loves her. I think. Now I'm confusing myself. :P Nowhere in that marriage definition did friendship come in… nowhere did humor, or fun, come in… nowhere did LOVE come in. Not real, true, selfless love… the kind Katie's shown for Simon. And the kind he feels for her. But he probably doesn't recognize it as love… because he's never truly felt it before. He married his other wives for two reasons—lust and money. Katie has neither… er, had neither when he married her. Now, I do believe there's lust there now :) but there's still no money. You take away the sex, you take away the money, and you add love… and this 'marriage' business, Simon may've done it five times, but this is the first time it's been anywhere near the way it's supposed to be. When you add to the unfamiliar—the fun, the friendship, the love—to the familiar—the sex, and hopefully at some point the money—there's a more traditional definition (by soap standards) a marriage. I think Simon needs to realize the unfamiliar before he can accept the familiar… and realize that his marriage to Katie, that's the real thing. And that's a marriage that's going to last.
One last thing, completely unrelated to the rest, to throw in, about Simon's viewpoint, and I believe another reason to know that Katie and Simon will be together in the long run. In watching the same Friday episode, Simon uttered one line that stuck out to me more than even the marriage thing… and that was, "It will always, always be good for us." And he said it without thinking, without calculating, his mind was elsewhere (on his 'escape,') but it's what he truly feels. He's said many times before—including the cross scenes—that this is a 'for now,' that it's one day at a time, yet he refers to 'always.' And though he told Katie, in the almost-sex scenes, that 'us' was a figment of her imagination, he certainly refers to 'us' enough—not only in those Friday scenes, but even in the plane, on the way back from the island. "Because we're good together." "That too." And they are, and they both know it. They know it, we know it, and Sheffer knows it. He just has to get them to where they need to be before we can see it, full-time.
Carrie
By JenniferH. --posted on Other Beautiful
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Yeah, sometimes they are necessary (as the recent Carly/Jack break-up has shown clearly).
But still—there was a change, a turnaround, and honestly, had things gone down the way it seemed they were going to go down, I think their relationship would've changed a bit, even in the eventual reconciliation.
Yup -- that utterly unique quality about this pairing -- Katie's point-of-view of the relationship -- would have been removed. They still would have been a wonderful, engaging, funny, sweet, cute, sexy couple -- but that one unique quality would have been gone. And I think a LOT of us fell in love with this couple because of that quality -- the rest were just a lovely, lovely bonus.
And almost worse was the possibility of the second item you mentioned, the game playing, because if she left, but relented and came back, without him ever realizing why she'd left, their relationship would've become something I don't *ever* want to see with them (or any of my couples, really.) And that's a relationship in which he has full permission to walk all over her, to do whatever he wants—and that's there because she's shown him, no matter what she does, she'll come back to him. I'm so relieved they're not going there.
Can't say anything more than a big fat "ditto!"
Kendra wrote: However, Katie and Simon aren't quite at that point now. Katie is starting to have some doubts as to whether she will ever get from Simon what she deserves to get. This doesn't diminish her love for him, but adds some "reality" to her dreams of the two of them.
Carrie: Absolutely, I agree. It's not something that's going to hurt the forming relationship of KnS—because they aren't at that trust point yet, nowhere near. I'm so just repeating what you're saying, LOL. But perhaps this will make Simon realize—once he knows the whole story—the lengths that she'd go to for him… just in case the whole island/diamond escapade and the whole Malta escapade didn't. (Simon's hot, but sometimes, I think he's just a little dense. LOL.) And a reality check, though it may be hard, is rarely a bad thing.
Absolutely on so many points, the main one being that Simon is an idiot. Sorry, but the guy just continually proves how stupid he is on such a regular basis it's hard to excuse it away now. But also, yeah, they're not at the point where total trust and honesty are the key in their relationship. Hell, he spends 90% of their time lying to her in cute, obviously false denials and she spends 50% telling him that he does love her and the other 50% scoffing at his cute, obviously false denials.
Katie's really being such a grown-up about it… she got herself into the mess, she'll get herself out of it, or at least make sure that she's the only one who gets hurt.
Yup.
Who else can we say that for? Certainly not Lily, who's dragged half of the damn town into her mess. And even the whole bombing mess, it's the wrong people (Barbara? Emily?) getting hurt in a situation that Jack, Carly, and Julia set up. I seriously believe that although Katie may be selfish, in some ways she's one of the most selfless people on the show… you just have to have that tangled brain to see it. LOL.
Yup. It's scary how we are so easily able to see the best in Katie no matter the situation. I fear, with 20/20 hindsight we'd be able to go back and watch the whole WOAK mess and make logical sense of everything Katie did then and find brilliant excuses for why she did what she did.
Although most of the female characters—at least half—on ATWT are strong characters, that's such a rare thing on daytime nowadays… I can think of maybe two on GH, and like none on GL, who fall into that category. I adore that ATWT has that type of a cast, and moreso, that Katie definitely falls into the strong female character category.
Absolutely. And I think she is the strongest female on the show.
She may be the strongest female on the show, actually…
And I wrote my above line before I read this. So there -- it's a matter of great minds thinking alike.
because she doesn't want anyone's help (except for Henry's, occasionally,) and as you said, she makes her dreams reality.
Yuppers, that's our Katie.
She sets her mind on a goal, and she achieves it—and that's that. From landing a plane with no landing strip, to getting into first class in a nun's habit, to making Simon fall in love with (or at least admit his love for) her, she does it.
You're gonna love this response. Yuppers.
She's not someone who gives up—and if things play out like they now look they will, she's not giving up. She still does what she thinks is right, in an unconventional way—she leaves town, with another man, to save her husband.
Here we go again ... yuppers, that's our Katie.
Kendra wrote: On the other hand, I also wanted Simon to feel the fear of losing her. I wanted him to think that she meant it when she threatened to not be around for him.
Carrie: And I sincerely hope he will. I hope he thinks that she's gone because he didn't treat her right… and feels like crap for it.
Yup, Dingo Boy needs to suffer. The physical pain of the stabbing isn't enough (although a good start), he needs to suffer emotionally. Man, I'm a vindictive bitca!
I don't think I've mentioned yet today (other than on the phone) how much Sheffer rocks. He does, he does, he's a soap god! Anyhow, he's done, IMO, the impossible. I think you're absolutely right, he's come up with a way to keep this love story going on track, in character, and in the way the fans want it… while working in the difficult angles and hey, a really hot third wheel. LOL.
Now, if he had only laid out this whole Bruno set-up much, much better, I'd be so much happier. But hey in almost a year of writing the KnS story, this is only the second serious misstep, so I'm willing to cut the dude some slack when my last two couples had a ratio of oh, 80% screw-ups, 15% they're on the right track and 5% perfect!
Hogan's ratio is 90% perfect, 8% they're on the right track and 2% screw-ups. I can so live with that.
All of this is for naught if Simon doesn't wake up.
Another one you'll love. Absolutely.
But… I don't see how he couldn't wake up, what would be the point of the storyline? I genuinely believe that we're going to see the Bruno stuff for the next two-three weeks, then Katie's departure, Katie's return in mid-late October…
And then ........
And everything will come to a climax on Halloween. Perfect. (Puns intended )
Woohoo!!!! Love the puns!!
I want there to be a really LONG Halloween day… starting with revelations, climaxes, etc, and ending with them making LOVE. And I'm picky, I don't want it to be in the back of the car this time… though I wouldn't mind dialogue that shows that they both (ESPECIALLY Simon) recall the significance of the date, etc. And then, I expect one thing of November and want a second—the way I see it, most of sweeps will probably feature the two of them in bed, well, pretty much constantly. (He hasn't called her a nympho on more than one occasion for nothing.) And secondly, I want to see one (or both, but I'll happily settle for one) of the getaways mentioned recently—either the three days, or a REAL honeymoon in Tuscany.
This is just perfect and I agree 100% with every word you wrote -- especially that Tuscan honeymoon they damn well better have one of these days.
And after that? I'd love to see an adventure together, like Jake and Molly are having. Give it a rest before they hit more rocky waters.
I want Katie to go and work for Lucinda as a personal assistant or something. But for them, yeah, an adventure would be fun ... lots of fun. No angst or rocky waters until February at the earliest!!!!
JenniferH.
By JenniferH. --posted on Other Beautiful
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As we pretty much all did.
That said, they still made me a bit sad. Maybe it's because I felt a part of Katie's imagination....or magical view of her relationship with Simon...was dying. Maybe it's because I felt she was just going to play games again and she'd end up crawling back to Simon.....I don't know what it was, but the change scared me a bit.
Yeah, I remember a bit ago I was advocating Katie moving on a bit, taking the blinders off, etc. and then came the episode where she was willing to sleep with Cooley if it meant getting the scuba gear which would enable her to get the diamond which (she believed) was the key to winning Simon's love. At the time I reversed my opinion on wanting Katie to change her rose-colored perception in this essay, writing:
"How often in this day and age in the media (and soaps especially) do we see a character depicted with such a pure and complete love for someone? And that is what it is for Katie - it is pure and it is complete ... her love for Simon fills her, it's why she was willing to live in a junky garage and try and make it home for him. It is why she has shown her true self to him without fear of rejection because deep inside she knows that he won't judge her or walk away from her because of who she is. It is why she has been so adamant in believing that he will fall in love with her and theirs will be a true marriage.
It just seems to me that in Katie we have a character who isn't delusional or psychotic, just a firm believer in true love and she honestly, genuinely believes that she and Simon can have that. So, I guess I'm taking my stance back about not wanting Katie to be so resolute in her determination to get Simon -- the romantic in me is thrilled with the fact that there is a daytime character who is such a poster child for the belief in true love."
And I still remain grounded in that mindset when it comes to Katie, and by her so completely moving on to the point where she is going run away with another guy for a couple of weeks pretty much negated that. The bit we've seen (and know happens in the next couple of days) is just a brief dip in Katie's optimistic outlook that it will all turn out right. She still loves, believes, wants a life with Simon, etc. -- she's just confused and trying to assert her new-found Italian independence in an off-kilter, Katie type of way.
Then I read the l previews for the fall and I was elated. They're perfect....or at least they're perfect for me considering my vision of where Katie and Simon should go.
Yup and it took these thoughts of yours to really put it into clear and cement detail why they are perfect.
When I read them I recognized that leaving to protect the one you love has been done before on soaps.
Beyond ad nauseum.
In fact, it happened between Carly and Jack on ATWT. Most often it can be a sad moment, but if you really love the couple it sometimes can destroy a part of who you think they are.
Yup. And it generally takes re-writing a bit of the character or love story to make the plot twist work -- mucho annoying.
Many times the plot twist occurs when one half of a couple is leaving the show and they need a poignant, believable way to separate the couple. But this often occurs after viewers have watched said couple go to hell and back to get to a perfect point in their relationship where they can be more open and more honest with the other person than they ever have been with anyone else in their life. Then, suddenly, when one leaves to protect the other one without being honest as to why they're leaving, viewers can be upset because deep down you know that they have always been honest with each other. Deep down you know that this never would have happened if actress X wasn't leaving.
Yup, it's a rip-off and one that is so wrong and plays fast and loose with the character rules that have been established with the couple. In a way, it does it's best to denigrate everything that made that couple work, and negates everything that worked to get them to that point where they did work.
However, Katie and Simon aren't quite at that point now.
Nope, far from it.
Katie is starting to have some doubts as to whether she will ever get from Simon what she deserves to get.
As witnessed by her interactions with Bruno lately.
This doesn't diminish her love for him, but adds some "reality" to her dreams of the two of them.
Yup, she's not taking off the rose-colored glasses, she is simply wiping them clean, so to speak.
Her game playing with Bruno might end up hurting Simon, or at least that's what Katie thinks.
I gotta wonder how this happens -- I mean, as daffy as Katie can be at times, she's a pretty sharp cookie and rarely miscontrues situations. She does see things as they are, she just doesn't always accept them (vbg). So I'm hoping that it is very, very believable how she misconstrues his intentions.
Simon is going to state that he won't rescue her.
And now I'm wondering, paired with that spoiler for next week (Simon's emotional plea) if he says he won't rescue her after he makes the plea and she still plans on going with Bruno, or if the 'no-rescuing' is more of a bluff that she (due to wanting to keep him safe) calls him on.
Katie will probably feel bad about bringing more trouble into Simon's life and leave town to protect him instead of pathetically begging him to help her.
I actually don't think that this would be her motivator. I don't think she will even think of asking him to help her. You write below, "she's not Lily" and you're right. Lily would expect help, Katie pulls up her bootstraps and takes care of it herself. I've rather gotten the impression that Katie considers herself Simon's protector in a way. Look at the evidence:
1.) She married him to keep him in the country, protecting him from the INS.
2.) She made the deal with Isaac, protecting him from the evils of prison.
3.) She faked the pregnancy, protecting him from Lily inevitiably leaving him and hurting him more than she already had.
4.) She made the deal with Lucinda, protecting him from a long, long jail-term.
5.) She was willing to move back to the garage if it would keep him safe from Craig hanging him out to dry.
6.) She went to Malta to make sure he was safe (and yeah, there was the very understandable jealousy factor), but still the motivator was keeping him safe.
Katie is always thinking of Simon, she is always putting his safety, his concerns, his well-being first -- and I think this will be just another instance.
Her head-over-heels love combined with her new touch of reality will lead her to make this decision.
And see I think she would have made the same decision regardless of "her new touch of reality."
It makes complete sense that she wouldn't tell Simon. They aren't at that 'total honesty' point because their relationship is re-defining itself.
Yup and again we fall into the "she is protecting him" thing. And then of course, the whole point of this -- they aren't at the 'total honesty' point. While Katie has been more honest with Simon than probably anyone else in her life ever, she still tends to not give him the whole story -- but simply her version of the "good parts" version.
If you were to ask me what I wanted from KnS, I would say that I never want Katie to lose that spunk of hers.
Absolutely.
I don't even know what to call it. I love the way she makes her dreams reality. She has stars in her eyes, especially when she looks at Simon. I love the way she loves Simon and I didn't want to lose that.
So do I. It's so pure and complete. She loves him, flaws and all -- it's quite beautiful and rare to see such uninhibited, pride and logic bedamned, giving it all, going all the way, no holds barred love depicted in this day and age. And that's our Katie.
These spoilers indicate that it won't go away.
You are absolutely right.
On the other hand, I also wanted Simon to feel the fear of losing her. I wanted him to think that she meant it when she threatened to not be around for him.
Me too. And not just because I want him to suffer (which I do -- evil laugh, hehehehehe). I think Simon NEEDS to realize what he has in her and how empty his life will be without her and that all encompassing-love for him in it.
I thought I'd have to sacrifice one or the other. However, I was wrong. Scheffer is a fabulous writer. He thought of a scenario that could potentially keep both of my ideals in tact. Katie will leave to protect him out of love, but Simon won't know that. He'll think she left because of his heel dragging. He'll be forced to evaluate how important she is in his life.
Yup, yup, yup!
When he eventually learns the truth he'll be relieved, but he'll also have a new perspective on how he should deal with Katie.
Yup, lavish her with all of the attention and love he is capable of and she'll be easy to deal with as pie.
And everything will come to a climax on Halloween. Perfect. (Puns intended)
Puns, wonderful puns.
By Carrie --posted on Other Beautiful
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Can I just tell you how happy I was to read the new Fall sneak peak.
Now that I've sat down and digested it a bit more, me too. At this point, there's nothing more that I could (realistically or otherwise) want for them. (Not even a baby storyline. Joke, ha ha?)
I enjoyed and rationalized the spoilers we got last week indicating that Katie would leave with Bruno because I really felt Katie needed to stand up for herself and force Simon to take some action. He needed to reflect a bit about how important Katie was to him.
That said, they still made me a bit sad. Maybe it's because I felt a part of Katie's imagination....or magical view of her relationship with Simon...was dying. Maybe it's because I felt she was just going to play games again and she'd end up crawling back to Simon.....I don't know what it was, but the change scared me a bit.
Right, I totally see where you're coming from. Breakups used to scare the sh** outta me—as recently as a year ago, I freaked out (and I mean freaked out big time—the board postings were nothing compared to the emails to friends) over the breakup of my fav couple. I've since come to understand how necessary they are… and with the faith that I have in this writing team, I was pretty calm about it. But still—there was a change, a turnaround, and honestly, had things gone down the way it seemed they were going to go down, I think their relationship would've changed a bit, even in the eventual reconciliation. And almost worse was the possibility of the second item you mentioned, the game playing, because if she left, but relented and came back, without him ever realizing why she'd left, their relationship would've become something I don't *ever* want to see with them (or any of my couples, really.) And that's a relationship in which he has full permission to walk all over her, to do whatever he wants—and that's there because she's shown him, no matter what she does, she'll come back to him. I'm so relieved they're not going there.
Then I read the l previews for the fall and I was elated. They're perfect....or at least they're perfect for me considering my vision of where Katie and Simon should go.
I'm shocked at how thrilled I am as well… considering I thought I was completely content with the spoilers as they'd stood, well, obviously I wasn't. I must concur… they're perfect.
When I read them I recognized that leaving to protect the one you love has been done before on soaps. In fact, it happened between Carly and Jack on ATWT. Most often it can be a sad moment, but if you really love the couple it sometimes can destroy a part of who you think they are. Many times the plot twist occurs when one half of a couple is leaving the show and they need a poignant, believable way to separate the couple. But this often occurs after viewers have watched said couple go to hell and back to get to a perfect point in their relationship where they can be more open and more honest with the other person than they ever have been with anyone else in their life. Then, suddenly, when one leaves to protect the other one without being honest as to why they're leaving, viewers can be upset because deep down you know that they have always been honest with each other. Deep down you know that this never would have happened if actress X wasn't leaving.
It's been used before, absolutely, but it's refreshing in that I don't think it's been *overused.* It's not like she's being thought dead for a few weeks, or some such (like some other shows I could mention *cough.*) Often soap clichés are clichés because they're good ideas—which may be why so many things that drive other people nutty don't bother me in the least. Honestly, I'd rather have a well-done cliché than a never-before-done storyline that makes me shake my head… cloning, or frozen people, or time travel, or whatever.
However, Katie and Simon aren't quite at that point now. Katie is starting to have some doubts as to whether she will ever get from Simon what she deserves to get. This doesn't diminish her love for him, but adds some "reality" to her dreams of the two of them.
Absolutely, I agree. It's not something that's going to hurt the forming relationship of KnS—because they aren't at that trust point yet, nowhere near. I'm so just repeating what you're saying, LOL. But perhaps this will make Simon realize—once he knows the whole story—the lengths that she'd go to for him… just in case the whole island/diamond escapade and the whole Malta escapade didn't. (Simon's hot, but sometimes, I think he's just a little dense. LOL.) And a reality check, though it may be hard, is rarely a bad thing.
Her game playing with Bruno might end up hurting Simon, or at least that's what Katie thinks. Simon is going to state that he won't rescue her. Katie will probably feel bad about bringing more trouble into Simon's life and leave town to protect him instead of pathetically begging him to help her. Hey, she's not Lily. Her head-over-heels love combined with her new touch of reality will lead her to make this decision. It makes complete sense that she wouldn't tell Simon. They aren't at that 'total honesty' point because their relationship is re-defining itself.
Oh, it totally is. And Katie's really being such a grown-up about it… she got herself into the mess, she'll get herself out of it, or at least make sure that she's the only one who gets hurt. Who else can we say that for? Certainly not Lily, who's dragged half of the damn town into her mess. And even the whole bombing mess, it's the wrong people (Barbara? Emily?) getting hurt in a situation that Jack, Carly, and Julia set up. I seriously believe that although Katie may be selfish, in some ways she's one of the most selfless people on the show… you just have to have that tangled brain to see it. LOL.
If you were to ask me what I wanted from KnS, I would say that I never want Katie to lose that spunk of hers. I don't even know what to call it. I love the way she makes her dreams reality. She has stars in her eyes, especially when she looks at Simon. I love the way she loves Simon and I didn't want to lose that. These spoilers indicate that it won't go away.
Perkiness? :P Although most of the female characters—at least half—on ATWT are strong characters, that's such a rare thing on daytime nowadays… I can think of maybe two on General Hospital, and like none on Guiding Light, who fall into that category. I adore that ATWT has that type of a cast, and moreso, that Katie definitely falls into the strong female character category. She may be the strongest female on the show, actually… because she doesn't want anyone's help (except for Henry's, occasionally,) and as you said, she makes her dreams reality. She sets her mind on a goal, and she achieves it—and that's that. From landing a plane with no landing strip, to getting into first class in a nun's habit, to making Simon fall in love with (or at least admit his love for) her, she does it. She's not someone who gives up—and if things play out like they now look they will, she's not giving up. She still does what she thinks is right, in an unconventional way—she leaves town, with another man, to save her husband.
On the other hand, I also wanted Simon to feel the fear of losing her. I wanted him to think that she meant it when she threatened to not be around for him.
And I sincerely hope he will. I hope he thinks that she's gone because he didn't treat her right… and feels like crap for it.
I thought I'd have to sacrifice one or the other. However, I was wrong. Sheffer is a fabulous writer. He thought of a scenario that could potentially keep both of my ideals in tact. Katie will leave to protect him out of love, but Simon won't know that. He'll think she left because of his heel dragging. He'll be forced to evaluate how important she is in his life.
I don't think I've mentioned yet today (other than on the phone) how much Sheffer rocks. He does, he does, he's a soap god! Anyhow, he's done, IMO, the impossible. I think you're absolutely right, he's come up with a way to keep this love story going on track, in character, and in the way the fans want it… while working in the difficult angles and hey, a really hot third wheel. LOL.
When he eventually learns the truth he'll be relieved, but he'll also have a new perspective on how he should deal with Katie.
I certainly hope so. All of this is for naught if Simon doesn't wake up. But… I don't see how he couldn't wake up, what would be the point of the storyline? I genuinely believe that we're going to see the Bruno stuff for the next two-three weeks, then Katie's departure, Katie's return in mid-late October…
And everything will come to a climax on Halloween. Perfect. (Puns intended).
I want there to be a really LONG Halloween day… starting with revelations, climaxes, etc, and ending with them making LOVE. And I'm picky, I don't want it to be in the back of the car this time… though I wouldn't mind dialogue that shows that they both (ESPECIALLY Simon) recall the significance of the date, etc. And then, I expect one thing of November and want a second—the way I see it, most of sweeps will probably feature the two of them in bed, well, pretty much constantly. (He hasn't called her a nympho on more than one occasion for nothing.) And secondly, I want to see one (or both, but I'll happily settle for one) of the getaways mentioned recently—either the three days, or a REAL honeymoon in Tuscany.
And after that? I'd love to see an adventure together, like Jake and Molly are having. Give it a rest before they hit more rocky waters.
Carrie
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Irlandesa -- posted on Other Beautiful
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That said, they still made me a bit sad. Maybe it's because I felt a part of Katie's imagination....or magical view of her relationship with Simon...was dying. Maybe it's because I felt she was just going to play games again and she'd end up crawling back to Simon.....I don't know what it was, but the change scared me a bit.
Then I read the l previews for the fall and I was elated. They're perfect....or at least they're perfect for me considering my vision of where Katie and Simon should go.
When I read them I recognized that leaving to protect the one you love has been done before on soaps. In fact, it happened between Carly and Jack on ATWT. Most often it can be a sad moment, but if you really love the couple it sometimes can destroy a part of who you think they are. Many times the plot twist occurs when one half of a couple is leaving the show and they need a poignant, believable way to separate the couple. But this often occurs after viewers have watched said couple go to hell and back to get to a perfect point in their relationship where they can be more open and more honest with the other person than they ever have been with anyone else in their life. Then, suddenly, when one leaves to protect the other one without being honest as to why they're leaving, viewers can be upset because deep down you know that they have always been honest with each other. Deep down you know that this never would have happened if actress X wasn't leaving.
However, Katie and Simon aren't quite at that point now. Katie is starting to have some doubts as to whether she will ever get from Simon what she deserves to get. This doesn't diminish her love for him, but adds some "reality" to her dreams of the two of them.
Her game playing with Bruno might end up hurting Simon, or at least that's what Katie thinks. Simon is going to state that he won't rescue her. Katie will probably feel bad about bringing more trouble into Simon's life and leave town to protect him instead of pathetically begging him to help her. Hey, she's not Lily. Her head-over-heels love combined with her new touch of reality will lead her to make this decision. It makes complete sense that she wouldn't tell Simon. They aren't at that 'total honesty' point because their relationship is re-defining itself.
If you were to ask me what I wanted from KnS, I would say that I never want Katie to lose that spunk of hers. I don't even know what to call it. I love the way she makes her dreams reality. She has stars in her eyes, especially when she looks at Simon. I love the way she loves Simon and I didn't want to lose that. These spoilers indicate that it won't go away.
On the other hand, I also wanted Simon to feel the fear of losing her. I wanted him to think that she meant it when she threatened to not be around for him.
I thought I'd have to sacrifice one or the other. However, I was wrong. Sheffer is a fabulous writer. He thought of a scenario that could potentially keep both of my ideals in tact. Katie will leave to protect him out of love, but Simon won't know that. He'll think she left because of his heel dragging. He'll be forced to evaluate how important she is in his life. When he eventually learns the truth he'll be relieved, but he'll also have a new perspective on how he should deal with Katie.
And everything will come to a climax on Halloween. Perfect. (Puns intended.)
Irlandesa
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By JenniferH. -- posted on Other Beautiful
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Aiding the Simon/Lily camp was the fact that of the first three episodes I saw there was plenty of grist to make a fan of the couple as there was mucho Simon/Lily interaction.
Episode number 1: Lily catching Simon and Ruby at Lucinda's, finding out about his ex-wives before Katie marched in, attacking Ruby, etc. So, there were definitely some good Simon/Lily scenes with those oh-so-longing glances sent each other's way (as Katie commented in the next episode at Al's -- which I missed ... sigh), but I didn't find myself caught at all by the Simon/Lily exchange, however, I certainly got a kick out of that Katie and I liked the interaction between her and Simon ... especially the way he bodily picked her up and held her back. Still, in my response to my friend I basically drooled over Simon and just kinda commented that Katie was a riot.
Episode number 2: Katie tying his shoelaces together, scheming with Henry, ending with the phone call from Lily to Simon (again, I had missed the episode with Katie and Simon at Al's the day before). So, although there were some really cute KnS moments (the shoelaces, picking her up and moving her from the door, 'don't hold that thought' when the phone rang), there was nothing to reel someone (or at least this someone) in. I did find myself thinking that Katie was pretty cool, though and liking her more with each passing scene. Oh, and that Terri Conn wore a lot of clothes that revealed her midriff -- which uh, pretty much continues to be a constant.
Episode number 3: Simon and Lily at the Old Mill -- which basically was an entire episode with about 10 to 12 minutes worth of them interacting in very well-written scenes, well-acted, good angst, good passion in the scenes ... and yet, the biggest jolt I got out of them was watching Katie's reactions as she eavesdropped on the entire conversation.
So the thing is, that although I was not by any means hooked on KnS yet, Simon and Lily just did absolutely nothing for me. In that small window of opportunity -- between those first KnS scenes I saw and the ones that did completely and irrevokably hook me -- there very easily could have been the chance for Simon with Lily to sneak in and steal my heart and yet they simply didn't.
After the Old Mill scenes, I pretty much decided that, despite Paul Leyden's devastating beauty, Simon and Lily were a bust in the Jen-couple department, but still I wasn't sold on KnS yet (remember, I'd only seen about 3 scenes with them up to that point). I told my friend this and said that I was sure the guy had a pretty durn good chance of being part of a couple (the looks, the height, the accent), they just had to hook him up with someone else ... cuz the Lily route was just NOT working. Her response was that she thought that I would have to "suffer" through Simon and Katie as a couple because she had an idea that the show might be going in that direction. I let her know that there would be no suffering on my part, even if I wasn't totally sold on them, as I did like them (certainly more than Simon and Lily -- so boring, so quickly did I realize). Of course by the next week when the 'birds of a feather' episode (aka the 'jen-done-got-hooked-and-good' scenes) aired, I was so a goner that 'liking' them was about as huge an understatement as you could get.
I actually think Katie and Henry look cute together too. I like her and Simon more, but they have something special too.
Most of you wouldn't know this, but I'm pretty obsessive about my couples being only with the other, but I surprised myself the other day. As some of you may know, I'm a weekbehinder and had heard all about the episode where Henry pretty much shouted out in bright, neon letters, "well, gee, Katie, yes, I've been in love and it's with YOU!" to the viewers, if not to the object of his affection. And I was afeared of the cringe factor it would induce, but dangit, I love Terri SOOO much, that I watched their scenes and thought, 'yeah, if Simon remains jerky-boy-extraordinaire' and they don't go that route, I can buy Katie and Henry.'
I mean, don't get me wrong -- I LOVE KnS and definitely want them together, and I could never be obsessive about Katie and Henry (or actually Katie and any other guy ... Simon will always be my first and 'they-make-me-giddy' choice for Katie). You know, no putting up a website, setting up a message board, etc. for them -- I just, I mean my couple loyalty would definitely be with KnS, but my overall loyalty is to Terri and Katie. I would tape Katie and any other guy scenes, but I would be doing so completely and only for Terri -- cuz I want all of her stuff on tape.
I guess, bottom-line, is that I'm pretty much willing to follow Terri and Katie wherever they take the character: I love the actress and her portrayal that much. And that's saying a LOT for me. There is only one other actress I've been willing to watch in other relationships with other than 'my couple' on a show. (Sherilyn Fenn as Audrey Horne on Twin Peaks ... in case you're wondering.)
However, let me make a little tiny, possible future addendum, I haven't seen Katie and Henry in a truly romantic situation (nor Katie obsessing over Holden and interacting with Chris (either Ben Jorgenson or Paul Korver) and Eddie) and at this point, Katie is SO in love with Simon that the idea of a Katie/anyone else pairing is just not very likely, so I really don't have to worry about that possibility right now, so I can be pretty blase about it. Should another relationship actually begin to unfold (whether it be with Henry or someone else), I may change my stance and denounce ATWT. Well, I don't imagine I could give up watching Katie, but I probably wouldn't like watching Katie with anybody BUT Simon at all, including Henry.
JenniferH.
By dancinbear -- posted on ATWT
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I know a lot of people don't see it, but I think the things that have come out when he's talked to Rose are very important to Simon's character development. She has seen that Simon isn't all bad and that when he has a reason and puts his mind to it, he has a capacity to be giving and caring because it's the right thing to do.
As for Katie and Simon, I love them together. She is probably the only woman he has ever met who has kept him guessing from one moment to the next what she is going to do. They are also very much alike. They've both been centered on their own lives and what they want. They haven't been too concerned about how or who they hurt to get it. They are both driven people. I think they have had a positive affect on each other.
He's taken her focus and shifted it from purely selfish reasons to thinking about someone else for a change. She has brought him humor and I believe a sense of duty that he hasn't even realized fully yet. I'm glad Hogan Sheffer is putting them together for real and that he's doing it slowly. I think they'd make a fun couple that is somewhere between the "Tom and Margo's" and the "Molly and Reid/David's" of Oakdale. Given the chance to go beyond the finding each other stage, I think Simon and Katie could be the most entertaining couple put together on this show in a long time. Add to the mix Henry, who could end up being a tolerated friend on Simon's part, and you've got a combination that could cause harmless trouble in River City for quite awhile.
dancinbear
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